I'm sorry, I think I may have asked this question before, maybe in another sub, about indentation style in Visual Studio... I'm still getting used to it again, and I recently went and lost the virtual machine that I was doing development in, so I ended up with VS 2013 this time around instead of 2010, also.
My problem is that I find the indentation defaults that it won't let you change on your own absolutely atrocious. I think I could maybe find it again in VS 2010, but I'm not finding it at all in 2013. Does anybody know where this and other code style settings are in the interface to VS 2013? I would greatly appreciate it.
It's amazing how much I still hate it being as the visual studios seem to pretty much be kings of the IDE world.

-D/K

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Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
By: Khelair to All on Sat Apr 18 2015 16:58:59

I'm sorry, I think I may have asked this question before, maybe in another sub, about indentation style in Visual Studio... I'm still getting used to again, and I recently went and lost the virtual machine that I was doing development in, so I ended up with VS 2013 this time around instead of 2010, also. My problem is that I find the indentation defaults that it
won't let you change on your own absolutely atrocious. I think I
could maybe find it agai in VS 2010, but I'm not finding it at all
in 2013. Does anybody know where this and other code style settings
are in the interface to VS 2013? I would greatly appreciate
it. It's amazing how much I still hate it being as the visual
studios seem to pretty much be kings of the IDE world.

Visual studio is a pain in the butt and the defaults can be really anoying, like searching forever just to tune line number on. I would think that would be a default. I'm seeing more activity with Eclipse lately and java, and i have to say after getting pushed into it at work, it's expansive selection of plugin is very nice, at least when it comes to java. Junit, Emma, Infinitest make coding and writting unit and integration tests a breeze. And to get these features in visual studio you need the ultimate edition which is just plan silly. Not only is Eclipse cross platform, but visual studio is also stuck on windows. Maybe one day microsoft will try to advance their stuff.

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Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
By: Mercyful Fate to Khelair on Thu Apr 23 2015 23:42:16

Visual studio is a pain in the butt and the defaults can be really anoying, like searching forever just to tune line number on. I would think that would be a default.

I learned where that option is quite a while ago, and now that I know where to look, I find it fairly easy to find and turn on that option. I agree, I think it would be good to have that option turned on by default. It seems that with most IDEs it's not enabled by default.

I'm seeing more activity with Eclipse lately and
java, and i have to say after getting pushed into it at work, it's expansive selection of plugin is very nice, at least when it comes to java. Junit, Emma, Infinitest make coding and writting unit and integration tests a breeze. And to get these features in visual studio you need the ultimate edition which is just plan silly. Not only is Eclipse cross platform, but visual studio is also stuck on windows. Maybe one day microsoft will try to advance their stuff.

I was pushed into Eclipse at work for some stuff too. I think it's a decent IDE, although I feel like some parts of it are a little awkward. I don't particularly like Eclipse's 'workspace' concept (or rather, how Eclipse manages its workspaces). Rather than prompting you which workspace to use on startup, I think it would be better if it would let you open & close workspaces similar to how other IDEs let you open & close projects. I do like Eclipe's plugin ecosystem though.
We were using Eclipse at work for Android development, and I was glad when Google officially switched over to Android Studio as the official Android IDE. Android Studio is based on IntelliJ, which is another IDE for Java that has gained in popularity. I feel like IntelliJ is laid out in a way that makes more sense than Eclipse (and I like its project management better). Android Studio also has integrated support for Gradle, which we were already using as our build system for Android, so Android Studio was able to plug into our projects with not too much effort. I thought it was really nice how well Android Studio worked for us.

Nightfox

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Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
By: Nightfox to Mercyful Fate on Mon Apr 27 2015 20:36:23

I learned where that option is quite a while ago, and now that I know where look, I find it fairly easy to find and turn on that option. I agree, I thi it would be good to have that option turned on by default. It seems that wi most IDEs it's not enabled by default.

Ya, it really boggles my mind on why anyone would not want to see line number when they are coding, especially when an error message pops up and says line xx.. hehe

I was pushed into Eclipse at work for some stuff too. I think it's a decent IDE, although I feel like some parts of it are a little awkward. I don't particularly like Eclipse's 'workspace' concept (or rather, how Eclipse mana its workspaces). Rather than prompting you which workspace to use on startu I think it would be better if it would let you open & close workspaces simil to how other IDEs let you open & close projects. I do like Eclipe's plugin ecosystem though. We were using Eclipse at work for Android
development, and I was glad when Google officially switched over to
Android Studio as the official Android ID Android Studio is based
on IntelliJ, which is another IDE for Java that has gained in
popularity. I feel like IntelliJ is laid out in a way that makes
more sense than Eclipse (and I like its project management better). Android Studio also has integrated support for Gradle, which we were already using a our build system for Android, so Android Studio was able to plug into our projects with not too much effort. I thought it was really nice how well Android Studio worked for us.

I'm still pretty new to eclipse, this is probablyt the first time in many years of having it sit idle on my desktop that i'm acutally using it at work. I must admit that i do find switching betweek views like java EE, Java, and Debug very cumbersome when i'm steping through code. But then i watch some crazy tutorials and see guys flying around with super fast hot keys and stuff so i think i just need to learn all the in's and outs. Unforunally the program im working on is only for the next few months then it's back to the same ol daily grind of my own work.

IntelliJ is pretty nice, i've only used PyCharm for python but i like the enviroment alot. It's a little bloated at times, and i really notice it alot when i run it on my Pi 2. I still have a lot to learn, just so little free time to work on stuff.

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Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
By: Mercyful Fate to Nightfox on Tue May 05 2015 01:45:59

Ya, it really boggles my mind on why anyone would not want to see line number when they are coding, especially when an error message pops up and says line xx.. hehe

Exactly. :) I've also gotten into the habit of making a mental note of line numbers so that when I'm scrolling around in my code, if there's a part of the code I want to return to, I can go back to that line number.
My theory for why line numbers are disabled by default is that line numbers might have a negative stigma from languages such as BASIC that relied on "goto" to call different sections of code rather than writing functions to do so.

Nightfox

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Re: Visual Studio 2013 settings regarding indentation/code style
By: Nightfox to Mercyful Fate on Tue May 05 2015 07:43:39

Exactly. :) I've also gotten into the habit of making a mental note of line numbers so that when I'm scrolling around in my code, if there's a part of t code I want to return to, I can go back to that line number. My
theory for why line numbers are disabled by default is that line numbers might have a negative stigma from languages such as BASIC that relied on "go to call different sections of code rather than writing functions to do so.

haha, must be a bunch of old people that came up with that nonsense. :) I find it much easier scrolling function when i remember lines i'm working on. hehe but who knows, there could be the odd balls out there that don't like em :)

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