So... is anybody else tired of the fucks in Washington suggesting that they aren't the direct cause of this bullshit? Holding back funding for vital services which benefit average everyday Americans is...

Oh well, can't expect the Orange pedo and his cult to actually apply critical thinking, can we?

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Re: Shutdown
By: Adam Vandeuson to All on Fri Oct 10 2025 04:59 pm

So... is anybody else tired of the fucks in Washington suggesting tha aren't the direct cause of this bullshit? Holding back funding for vi services which benefit average everyday Americans is...

Oh well, can't expect the Orange pedo and his cult to actually apply thinking, can we?

Perhaps if Josh Shapiro was nominated instead of Kamala, we would not have Trump again.

We should just have an automatic cut of 5% if a budget can not be turned in on time and keep the government running. People would rather work for 95% their pay than being furloughed or fired.
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We should just have an automatic cut of 5% if a budget can not be turned in time and keep the government running. People would rather work for 95% thei pay than being furloughed or fired.

Can you imagine if the Anerican political system was advanced enough to have the concept of a vote of no confidence? Too bad most Americans simply don't care.

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So... is anybody else tired of the fucks in Washington suggesting that they aren't the direct cause of this bullshit? Holding back funding for vital services which benefit average everyday Americans is...

I'm tired of the filibuster. Republicans are what America asked for, and I
want them to be able to do what America elected them to do.

I'm part of the proud majority who voted for this. We wanted to cut spending and if this is what it takes then so be it.

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Re: Re: Shutdown
By: Adam Vandeuson to Matt Munson on Sat Oct 11 2025 12:26 am

Can you imagine if the Anerican political system was advanced enough the concept of a vote of no confidence? Too bad most Americans simply care.

We dont have a British styled system where we could just reject our congress and force a new election. It would be easier if we had a parlimentary system.
I would like it to be 5 year terms for members of the house, and 7 year terms for senators. Maximum of 4 terms for the senate.
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Re: Re: Shutdown
By: Aaron Thomas to Adam Vandeuson on Sat Oct 11 2025 11:00 am

I'm tired of the filibuster. Republicans are what America asked for, want them to be able to do what America elected them to do.

Filibuster protects the minority, but it should not be designed to perpetually delay stuff either.

it should be 60 votes to pass instantly.
maximum of 1 month delay.
Then majority vote would be required after 30 days where the filibuster ends.

Filibuster should be a temporary delay.
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Filibuster protects the minority, but it should not be designed to perpetually delay stuff either.

I appreciate you explaining that to me. But I don't understand the point of protecting the minority. Doesn't that equate to the opposite of democracy?

it should be 60 votes to pass instantly.

Aren't we stuck with everything the way it is though? We'd need a huge majority to get rid of or to modify the filibuster.

Filibuster should be a temporary delay.

That sounds perfect. That way the minority can have a little heads-up, but then they'd ultimately have to face the music. (That way they can sell their stocks first.)

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So... is anybody else tired of the fucks in Washington suggesting that they aren't the direct cause of this bullshit? Holding back funding for vital services which benefit average everyday Americans is...

And what "vital services" are you talking about? I haven't even noticed that the gov't is shut down.

Or are you just parroting the talking points your masters tell you?

Oh well, can't expect the Orange pedo and his cult to actually apply critical thinking, can we?

And we have another TDS sufferer here.

Perhaps you should ask your Democrat pedos to apply some critical thinking. Oh, but that would require you to accept the idea that you are wrong and we know that a TDS sufferer can't do that.

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We should just have an automatic cut of 5% if a budget can not be turned in on time and keep the government running. People would rather work for 95% their pay than being furloughed or fired.

Better: Congress doesn't get paid if there is no budget.

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Can you imagine if the Anerican political system was advanced enough to have the concept of a vote of no confidence? Too bad most Americans
simply don't care.

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I appreciate you explaining that to me. But I don't understand the point of protecting the minority. Doesn't that equate to the opposite of democracy?

Look up the idea of "tyranny of the majority" and you'll see why we have a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

Under a standard Democracy, if 51% of the people vote to take your property away, then it gets taken away. Under a Republic, if 51% of the people vote to take your property away, they can't because there's a higher law that prevents it.

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On 11 Oct 2025, Matt Munson said the following...

Filibuster protects the minority, but it should not be designed to perpetually delay stuff either.

it should be 60 votes to pass instantly.
maximum of 1 month delay.
Then majority vote would be required after 30 days where the filibuster ends.

The US is a Republic and not a Democracy... ie Majority rule...

Constitution was not founded on Majority Rule... The added safeguards into the process. What I mean buy this is that BECAUSE there was some opposition from the minority, small states... things were added into the mix... Amendment process, adding the Bill of Rights giving the people more power that the Government... Please note the 10Th Amendment....

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The amendment states:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

This means that any power not specifically given to the federal government by the Constitution is reserved for the states or the people.
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Founding fathers didn't want mob-rule politics... They wanted the Majority to work with the Minority on issues because the minority have rights as well...

So they wanted things like 60 votes in the Senate... Even 2 Senators per State regardless of its size... Just a few things.

Thomas Jefferson emphasized the importance of balancing majority
rule with minority protections in his first inaugural address:

Thomas Jefferson Said...

"The will of the majority must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate would be oppression."

So, the Founding Fathers didn't want Democracy, or a 30 Day delayed one as in your example.

AND... If I read correctly Someone said that the US should have be able to have a Non-confidence vote like Majority Opposition(s) can do to Minority Governments...

Like in Canada the current Liberal Government is a Minority Government... This means ALL of the Opposition seats in the House add up to be more than
the seats held by the Liberal Party.

Ergo... The majority can call for an election... Most minority Governments in Canada last only 18 months before that happens.

Some times Minority Governments are "Okay" because it forces the Minority to adopt ideas for other factions because it needs the votes to pass legislation.

BTW, In Canada, like other countries, people do not vote for the Prime Minister directly. The party votes the leaders and you vote for the party. So a Non-Confidence seems important.

In the US the citizens, and Illegals that vote illegally, vote for the President DIRECTLY...

Today's Trump Administration...

Trump won the Electoral College, this is the way Presidents are chosen in the US.

He also won the popular vote... Votes added up to be greater than 50%

He also won all the swing states and holds the MAJORITY in the House and the Senate...

Trump in not in a MINORITY Government where a Non-Confidence vote could be called.

In the US we have Impeachment, Checks and Balances, and Elections.

Elections every 2 years and you can vote for Republicans to loose the House and or the Senate... Coming in 2026. Congress can stop him... and or The Supreme court will stop him with anything that is Unconstitutional.

Finally Impeachment... U tried twice I say try a few more time.

That last segment may not have been you but I added it any way because I wanted to comment on that.

So.... What does this mean in the current situation...

The Minority did not vote to extend the current budget by weeks/months so that they, the Government, can debate and vote on next years budget.

The Minority Democrats want 1.5 TRILLION in spending and some of that is going to be used for Illegal Migrants to receive Medicare/Medicaid, among other things.

The Democrats want to force the Majority Government to take their way or the highway ...

The Trump admin has offered an extension on the ObamaCare subsidies for a year so as the Government can debate and vote on the Health Care system in the US.

Vote for the CR that you've voted on 18 times before and debate and vote on an issue... What a concept!!!


There you go!!!! If I have missed anything its because I need coffee...

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Look up the idea of "tyranny of the majority" and you'll see why we have
a Constitutional Republic and not a Democracy.

I get that now; some argue that 51% of the politically active population should not control those who don't vote, can't vote, or have unpopular ideas.

But I still disagree with it. The minority is still being controlled by the majority (mission failed) and the filibuister is probably the real reason why congress never does anything useful.

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Re: Re: Shutdown
By: Dr. What to Matt Munson on Sun Oct 12 2025 10:20 am

Better: Congress doesn't get paid if there is no budget.

Most of the congress members are independently wealthy. One of them in my state is worth almost 100m+ Jay Olbernolte.
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Re: Re: Shutdown
By: Aaron Thomas to Dr. What on Sun Oct 12 2025 10:04 am

But I still disagree with it. The minority is still being controlled majority (mission failed) and the filibuister is probably the real re congress never does anything useful.

we would not have equal marriage rights for non straight people if stuff like proposition 8 was intact because the majority wanted to ban it for non straight people.

Majoritarian policies can backfire.
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Am 12 Oct 25 11:56:43 schrob Matt Munson an Aaron Thomas zum Thema
<Re: Shutdown>

we would not have equal marriage rights for non straight people if stuff like proposition 8 was intact because the majority wanted to ban it for non straight people.

Marriage was a way of guaranteeing an income for women in a world where they were not allowed to go to school or work. Back then, it would have been not very clever for a woman to marry another woman. And on the other hand, men coming home from work didn't have any instant food to put into the microwave or a machine for cleaning their clothes. Marriage became unimportant, that's what really changed.



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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

But I still disagree with it.

We still have a "majority rule", but it's tempered with "but the majority can't overrule these laws". We also have a process in place to change the Constitution - but it requires a super-duper-majority and time, by design.

The minority is still being controlled by
the majority (mission failed) and the filibuister is probably the real reason why congress never does anything useful.

I can think of thousands of other reasons why congress never does anything useful. The filibuster is simply something that stands out.

And it's part of the process to prevent the tyranny of the majority.


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On 12 Oct 2025, Aaron Thomas said the following...

I get that now; some argue that 51% of the politically active population should not control those who don't vote, can't vote, or have unpopular ideas.

But I still disagree with it. The minority is still being controlled by the majority (mission failed) and the filibuister is probably the real reason why congress never does anything useful.

The Democrats and the Filibuster you should say!!!!

Recall Senator Democrat Robert Byrd, an X-KKK member, filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act...

The Republicans overcame the filibuster and as a result this was eventually signed into law.

... Enough votes happened and life moves on to the Current Democrat party.

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On 12 Oct 2025, Matt Munson said the following...

Most of the congress members are independently wealthy. One of them in
my state is worth almost 100m+ Jay Olbernolte.

And she did that while in office.

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On 12 Oct 2025, Matt Munson said the following...

we would not have equal marriage rights for non straight people if stuff like proposition 8 was intact because the majority wanted to ban it for non straight people.

Majoritarian policies can backfire.

No one gives a sh!t about gay-anything. The right thought the word "Marriage" meant one thing, a relationship between a man and a woman, where as the left, who don't really car about gays, just wanted a wedge issue.

In Jun of 2015 the Supreme Court ruled that Same-Sex couples are guaranteed the same as straight couples.

America strives to be "a more perfect union".

Relax... The Republicans fight everyday, usually against the Democrats, but it is a fight worth fighting.

Trump is in the Middle East today freeing hostages and securing peace... While the Democrats are crewing on all the old bones of the past.

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But I still disagree with it. The minority is still being contro majority (mission failed) and the filibuister is probably the re congress never does anything useful.

we would not have equal marriage rights for non straight people if stuff like proposition 8 was intact because the majority wanted to ban it for non straight people.

If I understand correctly, the majority of California lawmakers were in favor of Proposition 8, but then years went by, and it was amended later when the majority was against it.

Isn't that what happened? If so, then what's wrong with it? When Biden was president the majority was in favor of having thousands of people die along the US-Mexico border. But now the majority is no longer in favor of that.

Sometimes we have to experiment with unfairness to get people to open their eyes.

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I can think of thousands of other reasons why congress never does
anything useful. The filibuster is simply something that stands out.

And it's part of the process to prevent the tyranny of the majority.

That sounds true, but tyranny at the senate level is just a few gold bars away.

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Recall Senator Democrat Robert Byrd, an X-KKK member, filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act...

The Republicans overcame the filibuster and as a result this was eventually signed into law

That's a good point, and I understand that the filibuster served a good purpose at that time, but I still think that the majority should rule.

The majority rules in elections, and that works out pretty good.

Worst case scenario for if there were no filibuster in 1964: The Civil Rights Act would have had to wait another year or 2.

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Re: Re: Shutdown
By: IB Joe to Matt Munson on Mon Oct 13 2025 09:26 am

No one gives a sh!t about gay-anything. The right thought the word "

I am trying to sell the argment why majoritarian politics can be dangerous to progressives and left leaning people.
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Re: Re: Shutdown
By: Aaron Thomas to IB Joe on Mon Oct 13 2025 10:35 am

The majority rules in elections, and that works out pretty good.

Its why America is not a pure democracy.
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IB Joe wrote to Matt Munson <=-

No one gives a sh!t about gay-anything. The right thought the word "Marriage" meant one thing, a relationship between a man and a woman, where as the left, who don't really car about gays, just wanted a wedge issue.

Actually, the Left just wanted to destroy the meaning of the word "Marriage". Just like they want to destroy everything else.

In Jun of 2015 the Supreme Court ruled that Same-Sex couples are guaranteed the same as straight couples.

But we already had a concept of "civil union". This was all the legal stuff from marriage - just not the social/religious aspect. So there was no reason for anything beyond that other than to destroy something.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to IB Joe <=-

The majority rules in elections, and that works out pretty good.

But the majority can't make a new law that conflicts with the Constitution.


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Matt Munson wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

we would not have equal marriage rights for non straight people if
stuff like proposition 8 was intact because the majority wanted to ban
it for non straight people.

That is not true. We already had equal rights for non-straight people. The concept is called "civil union", which is, under the eyes of law, a "marriage".

The whole "gay marriage" thing was a smoke screen and a method of changing the term "marriage" in our society.


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Re: Re: Shutdown
By: Dr. What to Matt Munson on Thu Oct 16 2025 07:00 am

The whole "gay marriage" thing was a smoke screen and a method of cha term "marriage" in our society.

I am trying to explain that Just because the majority votes for something it does not automatically stay as law. We are not a democracy in the united states.
No mob rule.
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