Hello,
I am trying to troubleshoot an issue where sent netmail isn't showing up in my email lists.

I have a few FTN networks and I am able to send correctly. I see a notification that I have a new direct net message, but when I go in to my email list I don't see anything - only local email.

Running new installation of synchronet 3.20d on Windows. Any pointers in the correct direction would be helpful - thanks!
Convolution BBS - Convolution.us

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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to All on Thu May 22 2025 06:36 pm

Hello,
I am trying to troubleshoot an issue where sent netmail isn't showing up in my email lists.

I have a few FTN networks and I am able to send correctly. I see a notification that I have a new direct net message, but when I go in to my email list I don't see anything - only local email.

Your email list is normally just email sent to you. Are you checking the "sent mail" list (i.e. 'K' command from the E-mail menu)?

Running new installation of synchronet 3.20d on Windows. Any pointers in the correct direction would be helpful - thanks!

You can also use smbutil or the "mail" sysop command (while online in the Terminal server) to view the entire mail base, which includes all inbound and outbound mail for all users.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Thu May 22 2025 05:55 pm

You can also use smbutil or the "mail" sysop command (while online in the Terminal server) to view the entire mail base, which includes all inbound and outbound mail for all users.

Thanks. That's interesting - I see replies to me with ;mail that do not show up in my email inbox from FTN networks.

Background - trying to get some FTN message networks working. I sent a netmail to areafix@46:1/100 (agoranet) with a subscribe command and another help command. They came back and are showing to my Real Name in ;mail. Maybe the mail subsystem doesn't know to tie the reply to my real name to handle - or something similar? What's odd is I think I recieved the notification between screens while online.

Always learning new things - thanks.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Fri May 23 2025 04:35 pm

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Thu May 22 2025 05:55 pm

You can also use smbutil or the "mail" sysop command (while online in the Terminal server) to view the entire mail base, which includes all inbound and outbound mail for all users.

Thanks. That's interesting - I see replies to me with ;mail that do not show up in my email inbox from FTN networks.

What user number are those replies addressed to? A dump of the header fields for those messages would be helpful to find out why.

Background - trying to get some FTN message networks working. I sent a netmail to areafix@46:1/100 (agoranet) with a subscribe command and another help command. They came back and are showing to my Real Name in ;mail. Maybe the mail subsystem doesn't know to tie the reply to my real name to handle - or something similar?

No, it knows how to do that.

What's odd is I think I recieved the
notification between screens while online.

Not sure what that means.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Fri May 23 2025 05:54 pm

What user number are those replies addressed to? A dump of the header fields for those messages would be helpful to find out why.

Not sure how to get this - can you point to where in the file structure I could get the raw data for these? I was looking around in data\mail files but it wasn't obvious.

When someone writes me a local email, it shows up in my inbox as my alias. However, since the FTN network uses real names, when the netmail comes in it shows up as my full name.

This isn't a huge deal, but I'd like to know how it's supposed to work so I can fix the configuration.

Thanks again!
Convolution BBS - Convolution.us

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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Sat May 24 2025 12:46 pm

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Fri May 23 2025 05:54 pm

What user number are those replies addressed to? A dump of the header fields for those messages would be helpful to find out why.

Not sure how to get this - can you point to where in the file structure I could get the raw data for these?

When viewing messages, there are sysop commands (in the menus) for viewing message headers.

I was looking around in data\mail files but it wasn't obvious.

You can use the 'smbutil v' command to view th data/mail headers: https://wiki.synchro.net/util:smbutil

When someone writes me a local email, it shows up in my inbox as my alias.

How are you viewing your "inbox" exactly?

However, since the FTN network uses real names, when the netmail comes in it shows up as my full name.

That sounds normal.

This isn't a huge deal, but I'd like to know how it's supposed to work so I can fix the configuration.

In the mail base, the "ToExt" (to extension) field determines which user account (by number) will be able to view the message. The 'to extension' number is also in the mail index (viewable with the 'smbutil x' command). A 'to extension' value of "0" mean nobody, i.e. it's an outbound message not destined for a local user.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Sat May 24 2025 01:57 pm

Not sure how to get this - can you point to where in the file structure I could get the raw data for these?

When viewing messages, there are sysop commands (in the menus) for viewing message headers.

For example:

þ Reading E-mail þ (?=Menu) (142 of 700): H

Subject Linux builds successful in 08:50
Sender Synchronet testbuild.js
Message-ID <68306559.563880@vert.synchro.net>
X-FTN-PID Synchronet 3.21a-Linux master/c5f547bfd May 19 2025 GCC 12.2.0 To Rob Swindell
ToExt 1
...
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Sat May 24 2025 01:59 pm

When viewing messages, there are sysop commands (in the menus) for viewing
message headers.

I've copied what I think are the salient fields from the areafix reply email that shows up in ;mail, but not my email. To answer the question how I'm reading emails, when logged in to the BBS as the syop account, from the main menu I press E (email) then R (read). When looking at available emails, this one for example doesn't appear.

One other data point that may matter - I have two domains registered for the BBS. Convolution.us is no-ip'd back to my home internet and is used for ssh/telnet. convolutionbbs.org is what i have for the website, which is hosted separately. I have email with that domain by the provider that I have as my BBS email for the sysop user. When I look at the header fields from the email back from areafix via FTN, I see the email address basis@convolutionbbs.org - which is not connected to the BBS domain. Maybe it's not important. I was trying to get email forwarding working with Vertrauen but didn't get it working (next project maybe).


FIDO control: Via 46:1/100 @20250516.173805.UTC hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02
From net addr: 46:1/100 From net type: 2 Ftn flags: NPD Ftn msgid: 46:1/100 682777fc ID: <682779AF.37@convolution.us> Is utf8: false
Network attributes: None Number: 37 Offset: 15 Program ID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02 Replyto agent: 0 Subject: Areafix reply: help request
To: Jonathan Schreiter To agent: 0 To net addr: basis@convolutionbbs.org To net type: 5

Thanks for the help and information!

Convolution BBS - Convolution.us

...Connection terminated. How rude!

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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Sun May 25 2025 09:50 am

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Sat May 24 2025 01:59 pm

When viewing messages, there are sysop commands (in the menus) for viewing
message headers.

I've copied what I think are the salient fields from the areafix reply email that shows up in ;mail, but not my email.

I don't recognize that header dump format. Are you using DDMsgReader maybe?

To answer the question how I'm
reading emails, when logged in to the BBS as the syop account, from the main menu I press E (email) then R (read). When looking at available emails, this one for example doesn't appear.

Maybe you're not using the built-in/stock message reader.

FIDO control: Via 46:1/100 @20250516.173805.UTC hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02

This output format does not look familiar to me.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Sun May 25 2025 12:29 pm

I don't recognize that header dump format. Are you using DDMsgReader maybe?

yes, switched back to default for troubleshooting. here's the header:

To: Jonathan Schreiter
Subject: Areafix reply: help request
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 16:22:20 +0000
From: "Areafix" <areafix@46:1/100>
X-FTN-PID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02
X-FTN-FLAGS: NPD
X-FTN-MSGID: 46:1/100 682f958d
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Thanks!
Convolution BBS - Convolution.us

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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Mon May 26 2025 07:49 am

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Sun May 25 2025 12:29 pm

I don't recognize that header dump format. Are you using DDMsgReader maybe?

yes, switched back to default for troubleshooting. here's the header:

To: Jonathan Schreiter
Subject: Areafix reply: help request
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 16:22:20 +0000
From: "Areafix" <areafix@46:1/100>
X-FTN-PID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02
X-FTN-FLAGS: NPD
X-FTN-MSGID: 46:1/100 682f958d
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I don't see a ToExt header field. I don't see an FTN address in the To field (the destinatino address) either, so something's up. This message was imported with SBBSecho? Do you have the "smbutil v" output for this same message?
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Mon May 26 2025 01:59 pm

To: Jonathan Schreiter
Subject: Areafix reply: help request
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 16:22:20 +0000
From: "Areafix" <areafix@46:1/100>
X-FTN-PID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02
X-FTN-FLAGS: NPD
X-FTN-MSGID: 46:1/100 682f958d
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I don't see a ToExt header field. I don't see an FTN address in the To field (the destinatino address) either, so something's up. This message was imported with SBBSecho? Do you have the "smbutil v" output for this same message?

That is, it should look more like this:

Sender SBBSecho
To Rob Swindell
ToExt 1
Subject Area Management Request
X-FTN-MSGID 1:103/13 6834d6b0
X-FTN-PID SBBSecho 3.23-FreeBSD master/578d29934 Jan 04 2025 Clang 18.1.5
X-FTN-Kludge Via 1:103/13 @20250526.210136.UTC SBBSecho 3.23-FreeBSD master/578d29934
SenderNetType FidoNet
SenderNetAddr 1:103/13
ToNetType FidoNet
ToNetAddr 1:103/705
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Mon May 26 2025 02:08 pm

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Mon May 26 2025 01:59 pm

To: Jonathan Schreiter
Subject: Areafix reply: help request
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 16:22:20 +0000
From: "Areafix" <areafix@46:1/100>
X-FTN-PID: hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02
X-FTN-FLAGS: NPD
X-FTN-MSGID: 46:1/100 682f958d
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=IBM437
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I don't see a ToExt header field. I don't see an FTN address in the To field (the destinatino address) either, so something's up. This message was imported with SBBSecho? Do you have the "smbutil v" output for this same message?

That is, it should look more like this:

Sender SBBSecho
To Rob Swindell
ToExt 1
Subject Area Management Request
X-FTN-MSGID 1:103/13 6834d6b0
X-FTN-PID SBBSecho 3.23-FreeBSD master/578d29934 Jan 04 2025 Clang 18.1.5
X-FTN-Kludge Via 1:103/13 @20250526.210136.UTC SBBSecho 3.23-FreeBSD master/578d29934
SenderNetType FidoNet
SenderNetAddr 1:103/13
ToNetType FidoNet
ToNetAddr 1:103/705

Here's what the same message looks like when viewed with "smbutil v"
(the first few fields anyway):

index record 11340
Sender SBBSecho
To Rob Swindell
ToExt 1
Subject Area Management Request
X-FTN-MSGID 1:103/13 6834d6b0
X-FTN-PID SBBSecho 3.23-FreeBSD master/578d29934 Jan 04 2025 Clang 18.1.5
X-FTN-Kludge Via 1:103/13 @20250526.210136.UTC SBBSecho 3.23-FreeBSD master/578d29934
SenderNetType FidoNet
SenderNetAddr 1:103/13
ToNetType FidoNet
ToNetAddr 1:103/705


Your output appears to be coming from msglist.js, which isn't showing all the fields.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Mon May 26 2025 02:15 pm

was imported with SBBSecho? Do you have the "smbutil v" output for this
same message?

I tried a few permutations on how to get this, but could use another hint.

I eventually reset the sbbscfg->system->loadable modules field to default (at least for 3.20d)
read mail: msglist mail -preview
scan msgs: blank
scan subs: blank
list msgs: msglist

The output of this was in a previous message.

I've tried to change read mail and list msgs setting to: smbutil v
However, it errors out when trying to view the message. Could you help where / how to use smbutil v to get the details?

In your message I think maybe you're on to something. This was maybe imported via sbbsecho if it's coming through the FTN network.

Thanks again.
Convolution BBS - Convolution.us

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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Tue May 27 2025 07:38 am

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Mon May 26 2025 02:15 pm

was imported with SBBSecho? Do you have the "smbutil v" output for this
same message?

I tried a few permutations on how to get this, but could use another hint.

I eventually reset the sbbscfg->system->loadable modules field to default (at least for 3.20d)
read mail: msglist mail -preview

If you blank out the read mail module, it'll use the built-in mail reading prompt.

scan msgs: blank
scan subs: blank
list msgs: msglist

The output of this was in a previous message.

And I committed an update to gitlab to make that output more complete (include all the message headers we're discussing).

I've tried to change read mail and list msgs setting to: smbutil v
However, it errors out when trying to view the message. Could you help where / how to use smbutil v to get the details?

smbutil is a command-line utility:
https://wiki.synchro.net/util:smbutil

In your message I think maybe you're on to something. This was maybe imported via sbbsecho if it's coming through the FTN network.

That would be expected/normal. I'm not sure what "somthing" I'm on to.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Tue May 27 2025 04:58 pm

smbutil is a command-line utility:
https://wiki.synchro.net/util:smbutil

ok - ran smbutil v ..\data\mail.shd

index record 17
Sender Areafix
To Jonathan Schreiter
ToNetAddr basis@convolutionbbs.org
ToNetType Internet
Subject Areafix reply: help request
X-FTN-MSGID 46:1/100 682f958d
X-FTN-PID hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02
X-FTN-Flags NPD
X-FTN-Kludge Via 46:1/100 @20250522.212222.UTC hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02 SenderNetType FidoNet
SenderNetAddr 46:1/100
when_written 016D0594 0000 Thu May 22 16:22:20 2025 UTC
when_imported 682F97B3 C12C Thu May 22 17:31:31 2025 EDT
type 0000h
version 0310h
attr 0001h (PRIVATE)
auxattr 00000000h ()
netattr 00000000h ()
header_offset 001920h
header_fields 11
header_length 320 (calc: 320)
number 39
thread_id 39
data_offset 004200h
data_field[0] TEXT_BODY, offset 0, length 4640
data_field[1] TEXT_TAIL, offset 4640, length 92

That would be expected/normal. I'm not sure what "somthing" I'm on to. -- digital man (rob)

well, I guess in general, would netmail be picked up by sbbsecho? I would have expected that it would show up in the email inbox at some point in the process.

Thanks again!
Convolution BBS - Convolution.us

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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Tue May 27 2025 08:43 pm

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Tue May 27 2025 04:58 pm

smbutil is a command-line utility: https://wiki.synchro.net/util:smbutil

ok - ran smbutil v ..\data\mail.shd

index record 17
Sender Areafix
To Jonathan Schreiter
ToNetAddr basis@convolutionbbs.org
ToNetType Internet
Subject Areafix reply: help request
X-FTN-MSGID 46:1/100 682f958d
X-FTN-PID hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02
X-FTN-Flags NPD
X-FTN-Kludge Via 46:1/100 @20250522.212222.UTC hpt/lnx 1.9 2024-03-02 SenderNetType FidoNet
SenderNetAddr 46:1/100

This message appears to have been imported from FTN (with SBBSecho) and *forwarded* to an Internet email address. My guess: you have the user account for this recipient configured to forward to an external Internet email address.

You'd see an indication of this in your data/sbbsecho.log file with a log message something along the lines of:

Forwarding message from Areafix@46:1/100 to basis@convolutionbbs.org

Once successfully forwarded, the message is flagged for deletion. Since this message is *not* flagged for deletion, my guess is that your Synchronet Mail server SendMail thread has *not* successfully delivered this message.

That would be expected/normal. I'm not sure what "somthing" I'm on to. -- digital man (rob)

well, I guess in general, would netmail be picked up by sbbsecho?

Yes.

I would
have expected that it would show up in the email inbox at some point in the process.

SBBSecho imports incoming netmail (for local users) into the data/mail base. In this case, the user in question had their account configured to forward their mail to an external Internet mail address. So the message is pending delivery to the external mail server for that address - check the mail server log for those delivery attempt details.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Tue May 27 2025 10:13 pm

This message appears to have been imported from FTN (with SBBSecho) and *forwarded* to an Internet email address. My guess: you have the user account for this recipient configured to forward to an external Internet email address.

Finally found what I was looking for! In the new user prompts I like to have email addresses so that I can contact outside of the BBS if there is an issue. I also do not have a working email forwarding system configuration as my ISP / domain doesn't seem to like it. (I started to try to use your BBS per the wiki but it didn't seem to work - would need more troubleshooting on that at some point).

I removed the forward email checkbox in user editor for me, resent a help request for areafix@46:1/100, and i indeed got a reply that was sitting in my inbox (expected behavior).

I was trying to see if i could require a unique email but also force the "no email forwarding" but it didn't seem possible in sbbscfg. I was trying to modify the newuser_signup.js, but per (presumably your) comment note at the beginning of the file - that that script isn't called. I didn't see any changes to the new user login process when i modified that .js file.

Is there any other way to achive unique emails and auto-disable the checkbox for email forwarding?

I was also looking for a way for the user to enter just their zip code (not address) so that a weather door could use the zip for the forecast but not be too creepy requiring a mailing address. I tried to modify this in newuser_singup.js but was not successful.


Thanks!
Convolution BBS - Convolution.us

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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Wed May 28 2025 04:55 pm

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Tue May 27 2025 10:13 pm

This message appears to have been imported from FTN (with SBBSecho) and *forwarded* to an Internet email address. My guess: you have the user account for this recipient configured to forward to an external Internet email address.

Finally found what I was looking for! In the new user prompts I like to have email addresses so that I can contact outside of the BBS if there is an issue. I also do not have a working email forwarding system configuration as my ISP / domain doesn't seem to like it. (I started to try to use your BBS per the wiki but it didn't seem to work - would need more troubleshooting on that at some point).

I removed the forward email checkbox in user editor for me, resent a help request for areafix@46:1/100, and i indeed got a reply that was sitting in my inbox (expected behavior).

Okay, good.

I was trying to see if i could require a unique email but also force the "no email forwarding" but it didn't seem possible in sbbscfg.

I'm not really sure what you mean. SCFG->System->New User Prompts->Force Unique E-mail/NetMail is completely separate option from SCFG->Message Options->Allow Forwarding to NetMail. They're not connected in way. You can enable or disable either or both of them separately in SCFG.

I was trying to
modify the newuser_signup.js, but per (presumably your) comment note at the beginning of the file - that that script isn't called. I didn't see any changes to the new user login process when i modified that .js file.

That's correct, that file (newuser_signup.js) is not used.

Is there any other way to achive unique emails and auto-disable the checkbox for email forwarding?

The 2 SCFG settings I mentioned above.

I was also looking for a way for the user to enter just their zip code (not address) so that a weather door could use the zip for the forecast but not be too creepy requiring a mailing address. I tried to modify this in newuser_singup.js but was not successful.

That file (newuser_signup.js) is not used.

You can disable prompts by setting their text strings to blank strings, e.g. in you ctrl/text.ini file (you create):
EnterYourCityState = ""
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Wed May 28 2025 02:26 pm

You can disable prompts by setting their text strings to blank strings, e.g. in you ctrl/text.ini file (you create): EnterYourCityState = ""

Yes, understood allow forwarding to netmail and unique email are separate. If i set allow netmail to false, the new user doesn't get the option to enter an email address. I'd like them to still be able to enter an email, but not have sbbs forward emails.

So as a test - i set allow fwto netmail as Yes in SBBSCFG

Then in data.txt, I blanked out:
"" 499 ForwardMailQ

This did not ask the for the prompt on new user registration, but the sbbscfg setting still set to forward in the user account. I guess having the user enter an email and not have it forward is not a setting pair that's possible.

I did blank out the EnterYourCityState = "" and that worked, so thanks! Convolution BBS - Convolution.us

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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Wed May 28 2025 06:33 pm

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Wed May 28 2025 02:26 pm

You can disable prompts by setting their text strings to blank strings, e.g. in you ctrl/text.ini file (you create): EnterYourCityState = ""

Yes, understood allow forwarding to netmail and unique email are separate. If i set allow netmail to false, the new user doesn't get the option to enter an email address. I'd like them to still be able to enter an email, but not have sbbs forward emails.

You have that option, like I said: set SCFG->Message Options->Allow Forwarding to NetMail to "No".

So as a test - i set allow fwto netmail as Yes in SBBSCFG

Then in data.txt, I blanked out:
"" 499 ForwardMailQ

This did not ask the for the prompt on new user registration, but the sbbscfg setting still set to forward in the user account. I guess having the user enter an email and not have it forward is not a setting pair that's possible.

That's a bug. I'll fix that. However, if you have "Allow Forwarding to NetMail" set to "No", then this wouldn't happen in the first place.

I did blank out the EnterYourCityState = "" and that worked, so thanks!

You're welcome.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Wed May 28 2025 06:33 pm

Then in data.txt, I blanked out:
"" 499 ForwardMailQ

I think you mean text.dat. I suggest you create the a ctrl/text.ini file instead and modify the strings in that:
https://wiki.synchro.net/custom:text.ini

That way you won't have to merge your changes with a new text.dat file in a future update.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Wed May 28 2025 09:59 pm

I think you mean text.dat. I suggest you create the a ctrl/text.ini file

You are correct. Thanks - I've backed out the changes and used the txt.ini file sucessfully.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Wed May 28 2025 09:55 pm

You have that option, like I said: set SCFG->Message Options->Allow Forwarding to NetMail to "No".

If I set that setting to No, then the new user doesn't get a prompt to enter an email address. I'd like to still get their email address when they sign up, but disable forwarding to netmail at the same time.

The reason for this is my email server to go from BBS -> Internet does not work since it's blocked by ISP. I'll look at getting this working at some point.

So right now, I have allow forwarding to netmail as Yes, and the text.ini with:

ForwardMailQ: "Forward personal e-mail to network mail address (say no - currently doesn't work)"

This is a bit clunky. Maybe it's a feature request.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Fri May 30 2025 02:00 pm

Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Wed May 28 2025 09:55 pm

You have that option, like I said: set SCFG->Message Options->Allow Forwarding to NetMail to "No".

If I set that setting to No, then the new user doesn't get a prompt to enter an email address. I'd like to still get their email address when they sign up, but disable forwarding to netmail at the same time.

I think you're mistaken: the "Allow Forwarding to NetMail" option does not control whether a new user is prompted to enter their email/netmail address.

The reason for this is my email server to go from BBS -> Internet does not work since it's blocked by ISP. I'll look at getting this working at some point.

So right now, I have allow forwarding to netmail as Yes, and the text.ini with:

ForwardMailQ: "Forward personal e-mail to network mail address (say no - currently doesn't work)"

This is a bit clunky. Maybe it's a feature request.

Just set that setting back to "No" and try again. Looking at the code, that setting *only* controls the Yes/No prompt for the forward question.
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Digital Man to Basis on Sat May 31 2025 01:54 pm

Just set that setting back to "No" and try again. Looking at the code, that setting *only* controls the Yes/No prompt for the forward question.

You are correct - sorry for being so dense.

I was mixing up the new user prompt value for netmail and the allow netmail forwarding options.

With netmail enabled in new user and allow forwarding disabled in message options, I am able to get the desired result.

Thanks!
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Re: Netmail Not Appearing In Email
By: Basis to Digital Man on Sun Jun 01 2025 07:13 am

Just set that setting back to "No" and try again. Looking at the code, that setting *only* controls the Yes/No prompt for the forward question.

You are correct - sorry for being so dense.

No problem. Glad we got it sorted.
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