I am sure that is what mutt does which is what I use for email. I used to use pine back in the Triassic, whose default editor was pico, which is the grandfather to nano. I believe it used the same strategy for quoting as vim. To be honest I prefer the fold/sed quoting seen above which it far more fido-ish as well as bashist as any old hack in-the-know will verify I am sure.
+mouse_gpm
I would (and do) turn that off using the --disable-gpm to vim's configure. Same with in mc (mcedit). That way cutting and pasting from other consoles is vastly more usable. vim doesn't need no stinkin' mouse.
<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t ukrainian "Strong like bull, smart like tractor."
Сильний, як бик, розумний, як трактор.
Gotta love it.
<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t ukrainian "Strong like bull, smart like tractor."
Сильний, як бик, розумний, як трактор.
If nano still has something like that, I would love to know about
it.
if you care to share your fold/sed quoting mastery
That's about to change, though.
Possibilities are endless. :)
How deep do you wish me to delve into it? At the moment it is part and parcel of a bash script that does it all, reply-wise. I forget the last time I did any serious work on it and it will take me some time to isolate just the quoting aspect. It is doable though since it started out as an isolated bit of code and I might even have a backup of that initial work which if true will speed up the process.
That's about to change, though.
I noticed. What version are you deploying?
<Esc>:read !trans -no-ansi -version
Translate Shell 0.9.7.1
Definetly overkill for so-called 'supported' fidonet languages. :-)
Not quite endless but certainly far beyond fidonet's support system ... to say the least.
It would be nice to see a Japanese reaction to your translation. What are the odds that we do?
Hello Maurice,
On Sat, Nov 16 2024 19:34:35 -0600, you wrote:
<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t ukrainian "Strong like bull, smartlike tractor."
Сильний, як бик, розумний, як трактор.
<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t japanese "Strong like bull, smart like tractor."
雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。
Possibilities are endless. :)
雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。
The japanese one did not render.
Hello August,
On Sun, Nov 17 2024 09:20:10 -0600, you wrote:
雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。
The japanese one did not render.
It rendered fine here as well as after you replied to it. I'm guessing whatever font you're using in Sylpheed is not capable of displaying it.
It rendered fine here as well as after you replied to it. I'm guessing whatever font you're using in Sylpheed is not capable of displaying it.
Hmmm.. Yes, I noticed the quoted part looked the same as the original. Sypheed offers UTF-8. It's on Auto-detect. Switching to UTF-8 didn't change anything in the previous messages.
There doesn't seem to be any "font" choices, just "encoding".
However, all of his screenshots look like they were done on Linux.
There doesn't seem to be any "font" choices, just "encoding".
I wonder if the Windows version relies on the Windows default fonts?
Yeah.. could be the particular behviour of the Windows version then; limited font support. Using XP here.
Not too worried about most other foreign languages anyway. English is the new "universal". :D
<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t japanese "Strong like bull, smart like tractor."
雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。
The japanese one did not render.
Probably just the quoting part.
AA> The japanese one did not render.
Maybe so but at least your editor didn't grunge them like most 8-bit
fido editors do.
[...] Given that I am left to ponder the possibility of a
graphical interface for fidonet if and when this ever becomes a real issue.
Hey August!
<Esc>:read !trans -b -no-ansi -t japanese "Strong like bull, smart like
tractor."
雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。
The japanese one did not render.
Maybe so but at least your editor didn't grunge them like most 8-bit fido editors do.
Given that I am left to ponder the possibility of a graphical interface for fidonet if and when this ever becomes a real issue.
Maybe so but at least your editor didn't grunge them like most 8-bit fido editors do. I can't render them either given that there is no terminal based fonts for Japanese ... or Chinese for that matter. With terminal fonts there is a 512 character limit as things stand today. Far more than is needed for most languages. To render Japanese a gui app with the right fonts will be needed. I am not sure if there are any terminals in xorg that can handle CJK fonts but maybe. I am guessing that Firefox might be a viable alternative.
Given that I am left to ponder the possibility of a graphical interface for fidonet if and when this ever becomes a real issue.
That is what I thought. This week is going to be bad for me as I have
many medical issues to deal with but I promise I'll post something
generic that could potentially work across the board with a bit of
tweaking.
In the meantime I think your current strategy is sound but I'd suggest setting the line length to 72 characters so that when someone with a
more limited application quotes back a quote the line will still fit
into one line. I note one of August's replies to you is a tad wonky
when using a 79 character line length.
Fidonet relies too much on cooperating anarchists. :D
Fidonet relies too much on cooperating anarchists. :D
Sadarbojoties anarhistiem, kas prot rakstīt latviešu valodā! :)
there are many more plentiful people who can manage English.
Fidonet messaging has simply not reached that user-base.
Fidonet relies too much on cooperating anarchists. :D
The only time it actually becomes an issue (or even a topic) is
when we mess around with it.
Sadarbojoties anarhistiem, kas prot rakstīt latviešu valodā! :)
Sadarbojoties anarhistiem, kas prot rakstīt latviešu valodā! :)
Did you throw "anarchists unite.." to your translator? I think the
proper beginning would be: "Sadarbojoties anarhisti.." or..
"anarhisti apvienojas.."
Droši vien "!trans" projekts ir parocīgs, bet es nezinu, vai tā izmantošana uzturētu ilgstošu sarunu.
This begs the question, is the windows version of vim anywhere near
this capable?
if you care enough to ask someone with experience with it
if you care enough to ask someone with experience with it
ko? Mumbajā nav Fidonet zvanu centra?
Looks to render just fine in Claws Mail on Windows 11, aside from the original when I was using slrn in a Linux console, using "Monospace NormalThe japanese one did not render.Сильний, як бик, розумний, як трактор.雄牛のように強く、トラクターのように賢い。
The only time it actually becomes an issue (or even a topic) is
when we mess around with it. ;)
No worries. Your health comes first.
Still require more testing. So far they haven't figured it out. On
the plus side, I am still not dead, although mother nature is
throwing some very nasty weather in this direction.
... Lieve zestien pinguïns van de Apocalyps.Regards,
What exactly are they trying to figure out?
We just got our first light blizzard on Thursday.
I am not sure ... near as I can tell cancer which so far isn't
showing up in any of the tests/probing thus far. What I know for
sure is that my hemoglobin levels have been dangerously low which
all the specialists claim is due to internal bleeding which so far
they cannot find. I have one more probing of my small intestine to
go through in a couple of weeks that might tell the tale. In the
meantime I have to go to the hospital every few weeks or so to
recieve blood tranfusions.
We just got our first light blizzard on Thursday.
Tis the season. I grew up on the prairies (Saskatchewan) so I know
how bad they can get. If I recall correctly, January blizzards were
the worst. It makes me shiver just thinking about it. On the plus
side I still have all my body parts. I've met many who weren't so
lucky and lost fingers and/or toes or worse after being caught in a
blizzard.
Here's hoping you finish off strong and come out with a clean
bill of health.
In the trades you spend a lot of money on clothing this time of
year so that you keep all of your body parts.
Like the saying goes, strong like bull, smart like tractor. :-)
In the trades you spend a lot of money on clothing this time of
year so that you keep all of your body parts.
Here on the west coast, keeping dry is three quarters of the battle. Half-decent clothing that keeps you dry and warm doesn't come cheap,
to say the least.
With the crazy rush on AI, "tractor" above may indeed become
"human" very soon!
With the crazy rush on AI, "tractor" above may indeed become
"human" very soon!
Unless tractors go extinct, I seriously doubt humans will ever
replace them ... AI or not.
I meant the words in the sentence would change
AI, which will soon be controlling said tractor
I meant the words in the sentence would change
I understood without further explanation but thought it would be
more fun if perhaps responding like an AI robot might.
AI, which will soon be controlling said tractor
It's been done. Same with other machinery including cars. Without
human oversight and intervention when needed, I doubt it would last
long. I also doubt that AI really cares one way or another.
Haven't you ever seen the "Terminator" series of movies?
When the machines take over, we're all screwed. :)
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