Hej Nick!

<Esc>:read !gcc --version
gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260520
Copyright (C) 2026 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

I promise to stop doing this but just needed to get this one out of my system. :::evil grin:::

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice Kinal!

** On Wednesday 20.05.26 - 22:53, Maurice Kinal wrote to Nick Boel:

<Esc>> :read !gcc --version

gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260520

I promise to stop doing this but just needed to get this one out of my system. :::evil grin:::

Still boggles my mind that you compile the compiler so much. Don't you believe in giving your penguins a break?

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Hej August!

Still boggles my mind that you compile the compiler so much.

That has only happened since 16.1.0 was officially released. My plan was to stick with that until 16.2.0 bacomes an official release but that got derailed.

Don't you believe in giving your penguins a break?

The penguins live for this. There is no other reason for them to even exist. Is there?

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hey Maurice!

On Wed, 20 May 2026 22:53:26 , you wrote:

gcc (GCC) 16.1.1 20260520

I promise to stop doing this but just needed to get this one out of my system. :::evil grin:::

*shakes fist at the sky* ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Hey August!

On Wed, 20 May 2026 19:16:00 -0400, you wrote:

Still boggles my mind that you compile the compiler so much.

When you do your entire system from source (or use Gentoo, even), and want new shiny things as they come out, that's pretty much all you do. ;)

Don't you believe in giving your penguins a break?

There's too many of them to be sitting around on break. Get back to work, penguins!

Regards,
Nick

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On 20 May 2026 23:20, you wrote to August:

Hej August!

Don't you believe in giving your penguins a break?

The penguins live for this. There is no other reason for them to even exist. Is there?

I do suppose they live to crunch the numbers, indeed.

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Hej Nick!

*shakes fist at the sky* ;)

I definetly can relate.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Weary shall he be who rows against the wind.
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Hej August!

I do suppose they live to crunch the numbers, indeed.

Haven't done much of that since the f77 days of yore. Also there was no access to any penguins back then.

Now that I think about it, I am not sure what linux kernel version boot penguin(s) became part of the grand scheme of things. As for the fidonet ascii penguins they are a fairly recent thing and for sure are overkill when speaking of anything fidonet related. No matter, they are most definetly a desirable thing to have handy.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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A giant must dwell in the fen, alone in the land.
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On May 21 2026, Maurice Kinal wrote:

Hej August!

I do suppose they live to crunch the numbers, indeed.

Haven't done much of that since the f77 days of yore. Also there was
no access to any penguins back then.

Now that I think about it, I am not sure what linux kernel version
boot penguin(s) became part of the grand scheme of things.

I asquired one of these in 2022. Haven't really used it yet. potential for 16 penguins
though! Havent tried a linux boot yet.

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/specs/mac-pro-quad-2.0-specs.html

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Hey August!

I asquired one of these in 2022. Haven't really used it yet.
potential for 16 penguins though!

That's a beast alright. I noted the 32G ram limit which for 16 penguins would be my minimum for a system. Is it maxed out?

The only comparable system I have right now is a 8 core (2 threads per core) epyc with 128G of ecc ram, which makes it awesome for building ramdisks. Only a single socket motherboard but more up to date than your xeons.

Havent tried a linux boot yet.

My best guess would be that it will require a special bootloader. I've never owned a mac before and it is my understanding that they require special treatment. Once it is booted though it should be worth the extra effort methinks.

BTW the url works great on a text browser. I am impressed. I didn't think apple had it in them. Mind you I imagine that is an old page.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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Never become so sorrowful that you do not hope for better things.
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Hello Maurice!

** On Friday 22.05.26 - 15:53, wrote to me:

I asquired one of these in 2022. Haven't really used it yet.
potential for 16 penguins though!

That's a beast alright. I noted the 32G ram limit which for 16 penguins would be my minimum for a system. Is it maxed out?

This is actually the correct link for my model:

https://everymac.com/systems/apple/mac_pro/specs/mac-pro-quad-core-2.8-2008- specs.html

2.8 GHz Q. Core Xeon E5462, from March 2009.
Storage: 320GB HDD

Mac Pro Subfamily: Early 2008
Model Number: A1186
Model ID: MacPro3,1
EMC Numbe: 2180

It is NOT maxed out. It's only at 8GB ECC ram.

The only comparable system I have right now is a 8 core (2 threads per core) epyc with 128G of ecc ram, which makes it awesome for building ramdisks. Only a single socket motherboard but more up to date than your xeons.

The Mac Pro almost makes it the most recent PC that I have! LOL

My T540p Thinkpad is from 2013, but I got that used in 2015 or so. LOL

I don't think I will ever attain a PC with 128GB ram!

Havent tried a linux boot yet.

My best guess would be that it will require a special bootloader. I've never owned a mac before and it is my understanding that they require special treatment. Once it is booted though it should be worth the extra effort methinks.

From what I'm reading, the Mac Pro should have no issues. But I plan to operate it in its native manner first, for a while.

I'm thinking of adapting it as my main backup server after I put in some larger drives.

BTW the url works great on a text browser. I am impressed. I didn't think apple had it in them. Mind you I imagine that is an old page.

Yes.. it's a well-maintained site.


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Hey August!

The Mac Pro almost makes it the most recent PC that I have!

Same with the epyc here except it isn't nearly as old as your mac. dmidecode reports, "Release Date: 06/30/2020" for the motherboard's bios so it can't be much older than that ... as far as I know that is. Just guessing ... again.

I don't think I will ever attain a PC with 128GB ram!

It would be expensive these days despite the age. Back when I bought it ram was MUCH cheaper. If I recall it came in around 500CA for 2 64G ddr4 ecc. The last time I checked it is now over 1000CA for the exact same ram. Given my 2G per penguin rule of thumb I'd need to pump the ram up to 32G before even allowing it to be plugged in. ;-)

I'm thinking of adapting it as my main backup server after I put in
some larger drives.

I will recommend upping the ante on the memory first. I look forward to seeing your 16 penguins soon.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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Hej August!

The last time I checked it is now over 1000CA for the exact same ram

Errrr ... I just checked and it's now up to 3000CA for the same memory. I'm afraid to check for ddr5.

For the record, I found 64G of ddr2 from an approved apple source for 750USD. That will max out the mac pro.

Looking back, I did the right thing at the right time. Screw AI I say.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

** On Saturday 23.05.26 - 04:35, you wrote to me:

For the record, I found 64G of ddr2 from an approved apple source for 750USD. That will max out the mac pro.

Yes.. I see 4GB at $22.

So.. by extrapolation, 64GB would be 16x22 = $352CDN

It doesn't *have* to be from an apple source.

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Hej August!

It doesn't *have* to be from an apple source.

It never is. I just followed the mac pro link you provided and reported what I found. You can be sure that I would never pay those prices, not even for the ddr4 ecc I already have and use.

Het leven is goed,
Maurice

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Hello Maurice!

** On Saturday 23.05.26 - 04:35, you wrote to me:

The last time I checked it is now over 1000CA for the exact same ram

Errrr ... I just checked and it's now up to 3000CA for the same memory. I'm afraid to check for ddr5.

I just realized that I may as well bump up the ram from 8 to 16 (max) for the T540p. Two slots currently occupied with 2x4GB. 2x8GB would be about $55 to $75.

Looking back, I did the right thing at the right time. Screw AI I say.

Have you heard of:

Empire of AI
Dreams and Nightmares in Sam Altman's OpenAI
by Karen Hao
Penguin Publishing Group | Penguin Books
Paperback
$28.99 list price
Technology & Engineering / Social Aspects
Political Science / Colonialism & Post-Colonialism
Business & Economics / International - Economics & Trade
Published: May 19, 2026
9780593657522

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"Hao shows through intrepid reporting on the ground around the world, the enormous wheels of extraction grind on. By drawing on the viewpoints of Silicon Valley engineers, Kenyan data laborers, and Chilean water activists, Hao presents the fullest picture of AI and its impact we've seen to date, alongside a trenchant analysis of where things are headed. An astonishing eyewitness view from both up in the command capsule of the new economy and down where the real suffering happens, Empire of AI pierces the veil of the industry defining our era."

There is also..

Chip War
The Fight for the World's Most Critical Technology
by Chris Miller
Scribner | Scribner
Paperback
$30.00 list price
Political Science / Geopolitics
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Published: Sep 16, 2025
9781982172015

"You may be surprised to learn that microchips are the new oil - the scarce resource on which the modern world depends. Today, military, economic, and geopolitical power are built on a foundation of computer chips. Virtually everything - from missiles to microwaves-runs on chips, including cars, smartphones, the stock market, even the electric grid. Until recently, America designed and built the fastest chips and maintained its lead as the #1 superpower, but America's edge is in danger of slipping, undermined by players in Taiwan, Korea, and Europe taking over manufacturing. Now, as Chip War reveals, China, which spends more on chips than any other product, is pouring billions into a chip-building initiative to catch up to the US. At stake is America's military superiority and economic prosperity."

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Hey August!

You may be surprised to learn that microchips are the new oil - the
scarce resource on which the modern world depends.

Not really surprised. Highly disappointed in human intellengence would better describe my thoughts on this subject.

Дуже груви,
Maurice

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