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Changing Pi hardware on my BBS box.

From paulie420@1337:3/129 to All on Sat Nov 21 21:40:21 2020

I run my BBS on a Pi 4. A 1gb Pi 4. I have a Pi 4 8gb that I want to switch my BBS over to.

I run an SSD, so I will have to update the EEPROM, and setup that SSD to the new Pi. I can handle this...

My router will give this new Pi a different local ip address; which I can switch to the current one or....

What will I need to give Mystic BBS in order for it to all just work? Anything you'd suggest I look out for or know that I'll need to address?

Thanks; posted on Tqw because I figure some of you might have this Linuxy info... :P

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From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101.6 to paulie420 on Sun Nov 22 13:02:54 2020

On 21 Nov 2020, paulie420 said the following...

I run my BBS on a Pi 4. A 1gb Pi 4. I have a Pi 4 8gb that I want to switch myBBS over to.

I run an SSD, so I will have to update the EEPROM, and setup that SSD to thenew Pi. I can handle this...

My router will give this new Pi a different local ip address; which I can switch to the current one or....

What will I need to give Mystic BBS in order for it to all just work? Anythingyou'd suggest I look out for or know that I'll need to address?

Thanks; posted on Tqw because I figure some of you might have this Linuxy info... :P

Hey Paulie,

I wouldn't have thought you would need to do anything if you're moving the drive over from old pi to new pi?

What drive/sdcard is in the pi 1gb now?

Best regards,
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From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Sun Nov 22 08:22:39 2020

Hey Paulie,
I wouldn't have thought you would need to do anything if you're moving thedrive over from old pi to new pi?

Its a 500gb SSD; connected with a USB-Sata connection.

I suppose I can just try to move it over and see if it goes without a hitch. I thought for sure I'd have to address the new IP or SOMETHING.

Thanks, I'll let you know how that goes - but don't know if I'll doso TODAY.

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From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101.6 to paulie420 on Sun Nov 22 22:07:43 2020

I suppose I can just try to move it over and see if it goes without a hitch. Ithought for sure I'd have to address the new IP or SOMETHING.

Thanks, I'll let you know how that goes - but don't know if I'll doso TODAY.

You very well may need to redo the IP as the old IP will be associated with the

MAC address of the NIC in the other Pi. Unless you change the MAC address of the new one to the old one's MAC and vice versa... then you're golden.

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From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Sun Nov 22 20:50:48 2020

I suppose I can just try to move it over and see if it goes without a hitch. Ithought for sure I'd have to address the new IP or SOMETHING.

Thanks, I'll let you know how that goes - but don't know if I'll doso TODAY.

You very well may need to redo the IP as the old IP will be associated with theMAC address of the NIC in the other Pi. Unless you change the
MAC address ofthe new one to the old one's MAC and vice versa... then you're golden.

Thats what I was thinking, without knowing what I was thinking. None of this is

anything I can't handle, I was just wondering or hoping to get an idea of what I was in for before doing it. I have a couple 8gb models just laying around, and 2o fOr beeRS is on a 1gb! Why, Paulie?!?

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From deon@1337:2/101 to paulie420 on Mon Nov 23 22:04:24 2020

Re: Changing Pi hardware on my BBS box.
By: paulie420 to All on Sat Nov 21 2020 09:40 pm

Howdy,

What will I need to give Mystic BBS in order for it to all just work?

Anything you'd suggest I look out for or know that I'll need to address?

I dont run Mystic (I used to a loong time ago), but I'm sure it should still work.

If you are game, you could put ESXI on that 8GB and a have a couple of VMs! (I do :)

I run my BBS on a Pi 4. A 1gb Pi 4. I have a Pi 4 8gb that I want to

switch my BBS over to.

I run an SSD, so I will have to update the EEPROM, and setup that SSD to

the new Pi. I can handle this...

You should also be able to just move the SSD over (even if you boot form it)...

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From paulie420@1337:3/129 to deon on Mon Nov 23 04:37:50 2020

If you are game, you could put ESXI on that 8GB and a have a couple of VMs! (I do :)

I loaded ESXI to check it out; and while I know its powerful I just don't grasp

by using VMs helps me. I'm not knocking it, do you have a newbs explanation of... what can it DO for me?

Why? What do you do with ESXi?

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From deon@1337:2/101 to paulie420 on Tue Nov 24 11:45:24 2020

Re: Re: Changing Pi hardware on my BBS box.
By: paulie420 to deon on Mon Nov 23 2020 04:37 am

Howdy,

I loaded ESXI to check it out; and while I know its powerful I just don't

grasp by using VMs helps me. I'm not knocking it, do you have a newbs explanation of... what can it DO for me?

Why? What do you do with ESXi?

I'm a huge fan of ESXi - but not soley because I can create "VMs", because it provides me with a remote console to a machine. I kinda treat it like firmware that gives me a web ui to a console.

ESXi on the Pi only supports 64 bit kernels - so if you want to run 32 bit raspbian (you can), you need to boot it with the 64 bit kernel. (A little tricky to get it started, but possible...)

On my 8GB Pi, I'll have at least 2 VMs on it though, since I also use docker, with 2 "hosts", my docker containers will be able to float between the VMs - it'll let me do updates to one (or reconfig), and the docker containers will float to the other one while it is "down", rebooting or if I mess up, etc....

I also like setting up "production" stuff and "play stuff" - so If I move something into "production", I know it'll run there quite happily and I wont really touch it. In the play environment, I can play with things without affecting the "production" things. (Docker lets me do that to a certain extent as well, but with VMs I can do it at a host level... Like playing with another distro or OS.)

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From MeaTLoTioN@1337:1/101.6 to paulie420 on Tue Nov 24 08:41:48 2020

I loaded ESXI to check it out; and while I know its powerful I just
don't grasp by using VMs helps me. I'm not knocking it, do you have a pa>

explanation of... what can it DO for me?

In a nutshell, using VM's and containers allows you to have something working, when you wanna tinker, you can snapsot the current config (i.e. backup) do some

tinkering, break it, restore snapshot and carry on like it never happened.

you can also run different oses in the vm as it's virtualising the entire machine not just the application level.

I haven't used ESXi but I do use Proxmox at home, I think I read that you can now get that for Pi's but I don't remember where I read that so might just be crapola. I also use OpenNebula (but that's for work).

Virtualisation rules.

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From paulie420@1337:3/129 to MeaTLoTioN on Tue Nov 24 10:34:09 2020

In a nutshell, using VM's and containers allows you to have something working,when you wanna tinker, you can snapsot the current config (i.e. backup) do sometinkering, break it, restore snapshot and carry on like
it never happened.

So your entire description was helpful, thanks....

I do grasp and understand what you and Deon are saying. And I can think of a few spots this would be helpful, but... I guess I just don't DO enough that I think I need this YET. However, I'm probably missing some in my face things that I could use it for - you know what they say, sometimes you don't miss what

you don't have/know about.

I will tinker around a bit; I have tons of Pi's laying ready for projects... I suppose one way of learning it is just doing it for the knowledge. Use cases will come up, I'm sure.

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From apam@1337:1/101 to MeaTLoTioN on Fri Nov 27 07:02:42 2020

In a nutshell, using VM's and containers allows you to have something working, when you wanna tinker, you can snapsot the current config (i.e. backup) do some
tinkering, break it, restore snapshot and carry on like it never
happened.

This is also a cool thing with ZFS, and I assume BTRFS? The ability to make snapshots of your filesystem is pretty cool.

Andrew

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From deon@1337:2/101 to MeaTLoTioN on Sat Nov 28 00:12:45 2020

Re: Re: Changing Pi hardware on my BBS box.
By: MeaTLoTioN to paulie420 on Tue Nov 24 2020 08:41 am

Howdy,

I haven't used ESXi but I do use Proxmox at home, I think I read that you

can now get that for Pi's but I don't remember where I read that so

might just be crapola. I also use OpenNebula (but that's for work).

Not crapola - works well.

Today was a good example. I'm 200klm from home, and will be for a couple of days, only to discover that the BBS and Hub were down. Furtunately, the host was up (ESXi), so I was able to web into UI to see what was going on.

Strangely the USB Storage that the VMs was on was "missing", so I rebooted the hosts (hoping it would reappear - which it did), checked and repaired the disk and restarted the VMs.

I think I mentioned in a previous post - I treat ESXi like "firmware" that creates an improved layer of management to a compute device. ESXi on the Pi has

been going strong for the last 2 months, with today's storage issue being the first one (hope it's not a trend)...

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