Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
By: Nightfox to jagossel on Fri Nov 16 2018 01:35 pm

If Oracle really wants to charge a fee just to run Java software, I think that would be pretty bad for the users. I know some software companies have been going to a subscription model, but I wouldn't want to start having to pay a recurring fee just to keep using my own computer. There are other Java alternatives out there though (OpenJDK at least provides an open-source Java development kit).

I realize I'm resurrecting an old thread but I wanted to voice my two cents on the topic. First, when Oracle bought Sun and all their IP, they effectively took on a support model that doesn't generate them money. As we all know, Oracle makes all their money from ridiculous maintenance costs and litigation (they are notorious for going after improperly licensed Oracle databases and related functions), but nothing from Java. As more and more of their products are or have moved to Java, they found a way to monetize it.

Great for Oracle.

Bad for us.

Luckily, OpenJDK/JRE, and other variants are readily available for our use.

Thank God!

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I realize I'm resurrecting an old thread but I wanted to voice my two cents on >he topic. First, when Oracle bought Sun and all their IP, they effectively too
on a support model that doesn't generate them money. As we all know, Oracle m
kes all their money from ridiculous maintenance costs and litigation (they are >otorious for going after improperly licensed Oracle databases and related funct
ons), but nothing from Java. As more and more of their products are or have mo
ed to Java, they found a way to monetize it.

Great for Oracle.

Bad for us.

Yep, they all but killed (Open)Solaris when they took Sun over.


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Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Tue Feb 23 2021 05:29 pm

Yep, they all but killed (Open)Solaris when they took Sun over.

Oracle pissed me off when they sold me a ZFS storage array as an amazing backup appliance. It had amazing write performance but read was horrible. When I'd shuttle the data off to tape, the tape drives were waiting on data.

I mention this because everything Oracle touches turns to shit. Yes, their database software is amazing, and they should've just stuck to that. Buying Sun was and remains the worst best thing they ever did.

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I mention this because everything Oracle touches turns to shit. Yes, their dat
base software is amazing, and they should've just stuck to that. Buying Sun wa
and remains the worst best thing they ever did.

You won't get any arguments from me there. I sometimes have to work on interfaces with systems that use Oracle DBs. They are always slower than
what I am used to (IMS and DB2 on a mainframe). :)


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Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
By: Dumas Walker to DREAM MASTER on Wed Feb 24 2021 05:01 pm

You won't get any arguments from me there. I sometimes have to work on interfaces with systems that use Oracle DBs. They are always slower than what I am used to (IMS and DB2 on a mainframe). :)

Some years ago Oracle tried to get me to buy a full rack Exadata appliance. After their stellar ZFS appliance, I happily said no. My current employer has multirack deployments of Exadata and Exagrid. Almost daily they have drive failures. I understand the logic of using them but their expense is insane. Give me an IBM POWER9 or some Cisco UCS B-series blades, and I can create something a hell of a lot cheaper (in my opinion).

Oh well ... DBAs love them.

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Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
By: Dream Master to Dumas Walker on Tue Feb 23 2021 07:20 pm

I mention this because everything Oracle touches turns to shit. Yes, their database software is amazing, and they should've just stuck to that. Buying Sun was and remains the worst best thing they ever did.

I don't even know if their Database software is all that special anymore. MariaDB does almost everything Oracle does, and these days who is looking for traditional databases anyways? Everyone is hosted in the cloud, using whatever distributed database tech Amazon and Microsoft are peddling.

I'm sad Sun has disappeared, it was a cool company with a great logo and unique hardware. If they were still around they would probably be selling Cloud.

Cloud, cloud, cloud. Thats what it's about now.



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Today I heard Oracle is (or will start) requiring a subscription for Java now: https://bit.ly/2IlYRgp
Full URL: https://www.infoworld.com/article/3284164/java/oracle-now-requires-a-subscripti on-to-use-java-se.html

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Today I heard Oracle is (or will start) requiring a subscription for Java now:

That is not good news. :(

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Dumas Walker, to NIGHTFOX...

Today I heard Oracle is (or will start) requiring a subscription for Java

ow:

That is not good news. :(

Based on what I was reading, so far, I don't think it's going to be all that bad. Oracle already required corporations to pay a fee. Oracle is moving
from a one-time large fee to an insanely cheap montly/per-user rate.
Personal use will be free, I believe, though.

Still, I don't think it's a good idea that Oracle is charging a fee just to run software written in Java; it just comes across, to me, as though they
want their "royality fees" to run some other 3rd party software.

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Re: Oracle requiring a subscr
By: jagossel to Dumas Walker on Fri Nov 16 2018 01:41 pm

Still, I don't think it's a good idea that Oracle is charging a fee just to run software written in Java; it just comes across, to me, as though they want their "royality fees" to run some other 3rd party software.

If Oracle really wants to charge a fee just to run Java software, I think that would be pretty bad for the users. I know some software companies have been going to a subscription model, but I wouldn't want to start having to pay a recurring fee just to keep using my own computer. There are other Java alternatives out there though (OpenJDK at least provides an open-source Java development kit).

I've heard rumors Microsoft might end up going to a subscription model for Windows, and if they do, I'm really going to consider switching to Linux or something (my current favorite Linux distribution is Linux Mint with
Cinnamon).

Imagine paying monthly fees to both Microsoft and Oracle to continue using Windows & Java software.. And then also fees to Adobe if you use their products, and so on if other companies start doing that also. Suddenly, computer software fees may become another monthly bill people will have to pay, like a utility bill.

Nightfox

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