Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-

I get it, it's all about having the capability if you need it. It's
better to have it and not need it than the other way around.

For a match gun or even a hunting weapon it is easy to invest as much
in the optic as in the firearm. If someone went on a 2 week trip
hunting in Alaska oir safari in Africa, the firarm and optic is a minor investment compared to the travel and housing costs. I have a friend
that owns an $8000 FLIR thermal he sits on a suppressed Ruger 10/22
for shooting raccoons and other critters in his neighborhood in
complete darkness and near silence. The scope has a ge neric mount, so it's not money wasted on just a $300 .22 with a $300 suppressor

I occasionally watch video's of exterminators (rats on farms) who
use pellet rifles on the job. These guys use pellet rifles that
cost more than all my 22's put together and the scopes and night
optics they use are incredible.

Looking some of the equipment up, they are in the thousands. These
people are phenominally on target with this equipment. Either that
or they just cut out all the misses (which I'm sure is the case).

I'd love to have something that accurate on my 22, or pellet rifle.

I sadly find the video's entertaining...

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Thu Feb 09 2023 08:43 am

Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-

I get it, it's all about having the capability if you need it. It's better to have it and not need it than the other way around.

For a match gun or even a hunting weapon it is easy to invest as much in the optic as in the firearm. If someone went on a 2 week trip hunting in Alaska oir safari in Africa, the firarm and optic is a minor investment compared to the travel and housing costs. I have a friend that owns an $8000 FLIR thermal he sits on a suppressed Ruger 10/22
for shooting raccoons and other critters in his neighborhood in complete darkness and near silence. The scope has a ge neric mount, so it's not money wasted on just a $300 .22 with a $300 suppressor

I occasionally watch video's of exterminators (rats on farms) who
use pellet rifles on the job. These guys use pellet rifles that
cost more than all my 22's put together and the scopes and night
optics they use are incredible.

Looking some of the equipment up, they are in the thousands. These
people are phenominally on target with this equipment. Either that
or they just cut out all the misses (which I'm sure is the case).

I'd love to have something that accurate on my 22, or pellet rifle.

I sadly find the video's entertaining...

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I've seen some of air rifle videos where the farmers have too many starlings
or sparrows, and they thin out the herd. The scope cam footage is interestin because they factor in wind drift and the amount of drop at the distance they are shooting. The crosshairs air used for wind value and a range finder is used to determine loss of energy and drop.

I heard of a budget version of precision rifle where they use rimfires rather than centerfire cartridges. Instead of needing a 1000 yardrange, they shoot .22 rimfire at 300 yards. With standard velocity rounds its nearly a rainbow trajectory reaching out to 300 yards. One time I tried to take a shot at awoo dchuck whose hole was 185 yards from the barn. Witht eh ballistics program I was using, I had to factor in several feet of holdover to lob the bullet in.
I missed by 2 inches, then after that the woodchuck ran for his hole any time to back door on the house was opened. I couldn't safely shoot it with a .223 because of the proximity of the neighbors' house.

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Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-

I've seen some of air rifle videos where the farmers have too many starlings or sparrows, and they thin out the herd. The scope cam
footage is interestin because they factor in wind drift and the amount
of drop at the distance they are shooting. The crosshairs air used for wind value and a range finder is used to determine loss of energy and drop.

I heard of a budget version of precision rifle where they use rimfires rather than centerfire cartridges. Instead of needing a 1000
yardrange, they shoot .22 rimfire at 300 yards. With standard velocity rounds its nearly a rainbow trajectory reaching out to 300 yards. One time I tried to take a shot at awoo dchuck whose hole was 185 yards
from the barn. Witht eh ballistics program I was using, I had to
factor in several feet of holdover to lob the bullet in. I missed by 2 inches, then after that the woodchuck ran for his hole any time to back door on the house was opened. I couldn't safely shoot it with a .223 because of the proximity of the neighbors' house.

In some of the pest videos like the one below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM9SFp_muT4&t=444s

I can't tell from the optics about windage and such, but these are
pretty close range shots and it looks like (from the footage) that
the person shooting is pretty accurate.

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I occasionally watch video's of exterminators (rats on farms) who
use pellet rifles on the job. These guys use pellet rifles that
cost more than all my 22's put together and the scopes and night
optics they use are incredible.

Some of the pellet rifles are quite expensive, especially the PCP ones.
Some of them have enough power for small game and vermin, so I guess you
save money on the ammo in the long run.


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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Cougar428 to MOONDOG on Fri Feb 10 2023 12:24 pm

Quoting Moondog to Cougar428 <=-

I've seen some of air rifle videos where the farmers have too many starlings or sparrows, and they thin out the herd. The scope cam footage is interestin because they factor in wind drift and the amount of drop at the distance they are shooting. The crosshairs air used for wind value and a range finder is used to determine loss of energy and drop.

I heard of a budget version of precision rifle where they use rimfires rather than centerfire cartridges. Instead of needing a 1000 yardrange, they shoot .22 rimfire at 300 yards. With standard velocity rounds its nearly a rainbow trajectory reaching out to 300 yards. One time I tried to take a shot at awoo dchuck whose hole was 185 yards from the barn. Witht eh ballistics program I was using, I had to factor in several feet of holdover to lob the bullet in. I missed by 2 inches, then after that the woodchuck ran for his hole any time to back door on the house was opened. I couldn't safely shoot it with a .223 because of the proximity of the neighbors' house.

In some of the pest videos like the one below:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM9SFp_muT4&t=444s

I can't tell from the optics about windage and such, but these are
pretty close range shots and it looks like (from the footage) that
the person shooting is pretty accurate.

Cougar

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The shooters use external signs, such as flags to detect wind travel and speed . Range finding is done with known reference points and range finders. They calculate the drop and adjust for hold over. On the videos I watched the crosshair was hardly on the target. Instead, the crosshair would be2 or 3
mil dots high and a few to the left. You would see the pellet fly down the trajectory path to the target.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Dumas Walker to COUGAR428 on Fri Feb 10 2023 04:40 pm

I occasionally watch video's of exterminators (rats on farms) who
use pellet rifles on the job. These guys use pellet rifles that
cost more than all my 22's put together and the scopes and night
optics they use are incredible.

Some of the pellet rifles are quite expensive, especially the PCP ones.
Some of them have enough power for small game and vermin, so I guess you save money on the ammo in the long run.

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They make models that deliver the same velocity of a .22 (1200fps) and you
can get versions with built-in suppressors (they are not regulated like firearms.) The advantage or disadvantage is you have a reduced effective range. It's a plus if you're shooting rodents or pest birds in pole barn or
in an area where a .22 would create more damage if you miss or the projectile over penetrates.

There are pnuematics chambered for .357 and .50 caliber that can take a deer sized animal with a clean kill. I have an old hunting buddy that got messed
up with dealing drugs after high school, and he lost his right to own a firearm.
He's cleaned up since then, and he hunts turkey and deer with a big bore air rifle.

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There are pnuematics chambered for .357 and .50 caliber that can take a deer sized animal with a clean kill. I have an old hunting buddy that got messed up with dealing drugs after high school, and he lost his right to own a firear
He's cleaned up since then, and he hunts turkey and deer with a big bore air rifle.

Yeah, I have seen those. Some of the big bore ones don't even look like traditional rifles, while others are pretty nice looking with wooden
stocks. The highest chambered one I have is a .25 break-barrel with a gas piston. I use mine for target shooting but a couple of them could take
small game and nusance birds.

I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but they
are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.


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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 12 2023 10:05 am

I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but they are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.

I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't drive because of DUIs and can't own firearms because of criminal convictions go around on mopeds with pellet guns.

(A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about seeing mopeds locked up in front of a dive bar - apparently people who got too many DUIs and had their licenses yanked started driving mopeds, which didn't need a drivers license to operate...)

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 12 2023 10:05 am

There are pnuematics chambered for .357 and .50 caliber that can take a de sized animal with a clean kill. I have an old hunting buddy that got mess up with dealing drugs after high school, and he lost his right to own a fi He's cleaned up since then, and he hunts turkey and deer with a big bore a rifle.

Yeah, I have seen those. Some of the big bore ones don't even look like traditional rifles, while others are pretty nice looking with wooden
stocks. The highest chambered one I have is a .25 break-barrel with a gas piston. I use mine for target shooting but a couple of them could take small game and nusance birds.

I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but they are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.

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With the big bores, you can spend over a thousand dollars easily. If you
live in a densely populated yet rural area, it may be an alternative if you ha ve physical restrictions that prevent you from operating a bow or resetting a crossbow. Areas where there is thick brush and limited fields of view versus bean fields with several hundred yard shots are also good places for a big bor e air rifle.

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Re: Carry Pistols
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dumas Walker on Sun Feb 12 2023 02:41 pm

Re: Carry Pistols
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Sun Feb 12 2023 10:05 am

I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but the are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.

I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't drive beca

(A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about seein perate...)

A bar I used to frequent when I was younger had a bike rack in front. It was in the town I used to go to school in, and I recognized several of the clients
with driving restrictions. Some bars have the same old folks every
day, and the same stories over and over. I think that is one o the reasons
why I don't go to the bars as much any more. I couldn't imagine spending so much of my life drinking that it beomes my life.

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I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't drive

ecaus

of DUIs and can't own firearms because of criminal convictions go around on

o

ds with pellet guns.

LOL

(A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about seeing peds locked up in front of a dive bar - apparently people who got too many

UI

and had their licenses yanked started driving mopeds, which didn't need a

riv

s license to operate...)

I wonder if that is true everywhere. I thought that you needed a license
for a moped here, but not needing one would explain a few things. :)


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Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

with driving restrictions. Some bars have the same old folks every
day, and the same stories over and over. I think that is one o the reasons why I don't go to the bars as much any more. I couldn't
imagine spending so much of my life drinking that it beomes my life.

I suppose it depends on how you approach it. In England, the pub is the
social center of small towns, and people typically have dinner then go
to the pub for a drink, and to meet friends. They're not open all that
late, and people generally aren't drinking to excess. For older people,
it's a great social outlet.

I'd love to be able to go out and have a drink with my friends a couple
of nights a week and spend an hour or so talking over a drink in person
instead of chatting with them on facetwitchatbook.




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Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

I wonder if that is true everywhere. I thought that you needed a
license for a moped here, but not needing one would explain a few
things. :)

In California, you need to license the moped, but as long as it's under
50cc in displacement and doesn't go over 30 mpg, it's a bicycle
according to the law.



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Re: Carry Pistols
By: Dumas Walker to POINDEXTER FORTRAN on Mon Feb 13 2023 04:46 pm

I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't drive

ecaus

of DUIs and can't own firearms because of criminal convictions go around o

o

ds with pellet guns.

LOL

(A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about see peds locked up in front of a dive bar - apparently people who got too many

UI

and had their licenses yanked started driving mopeds, which didn't need a

riv

s license to operate...)

I wonder if that is true everywhere. I thought that you needed a license for a moped here, but not needing one would explain a few things. :)

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I thought mopeds under 49cc were considered toys or hobby bikes. If you want to drive on highways or express roads, motors of 120cc or more required, and are treated as motorcycles. E-bikes and electric vehicles had restrictions based on HP or wattage equivalents.

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Quoting Poindexter Fortran to Dumas Walker <=-

I didn't think about people who cannot own a traditional firearm but they are good alternatives there, too, if you like to hunt.

I can just see some town in the south where hillbillies who can't
drive because of DUIs and can't own firearms because of criminal convictions go around on mopeds with pellet guns.
(A while ago on one of the nets, someone was explaining the joke about seeing mopeds locked up in front of a dive bar - apparently people who
got too many DUIs and had their licenses yanked started driving
mopeds, which didn't need a drivers license to operate...)

It's a funny thought, but...

Not sure where you don't have to have a license to operate a moped
on the roads. I brought one back from Europe and had to get it
licensed for use in PA. I also had to have a drivers license and
insurance. Maybe in other states this isn't the case...

I stopped riding it as people didn't seem to see it on the road. I
stopped at a 4 way, and a car didn't. I jumped off but he ran the
little Honda over. You also don't have to wear a helmet in PA, but
I always did.

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Dumas Walker wrote to POINDEXTER FORTRAN <=-

I wonder if that is true everywhere. I thought that you needed a
license for a moped here, but not needing one would explain a few
things. :)

In California, you need to license the moped, but as long as it's
under 50cc in displacement and doesn't go over 30 mpg, it's a bicycle according to the law.

I was wondering about state laws, in PA it has to be licensed. I
had to license my Honda 50 for use on the road and also have
insurance. No helmet needed though (but I always wore it).

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Re: Re: Carry Pistols
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Moondog on Tue Feb 14 2023 06:54 am

Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

with driving restrictions. Some bars have the same old folks every day, and the same stories over and over. I think that is one o the reasons why I don't go to the bars as much any more. I couldn't imagine spending so much of my life drinking that it beomes my life.

I suppose it depends on how you approach it. In England, the pub is the social center of small towns, and people typically have dinner then go
to the pub for a drink, and to meet friends. They're not open all that
late, and people generally aren't drinking to excess. For older people,
it's a great social outlet.

I'd love to be able to go out and have a drink with my friends a couple
of nights a week and spend an hour or so talking over a drink in person instead of chatting with them on facetwitchatbook.

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There is the social aspect, but what I'm referring to are the bar fixtures
that head to the bar after work, drink awhile, then home to dinner and go
to bed. For those folk the only social aspect is public drinking. I used to stop by the bar and drink with co-workers, but it wasn't long before it got boaring and life felt like it centered around work and drinking. I joined other social clubs that weren't about sitting in a clubhouse and drinking.

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