• Hamas & Israel

    From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Ward Dossche on Thu Mar 28 09:11:34 2024
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 27.03.2024 10:08

    ak>> Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians
    ak>> and thousands of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\
    WD>
    WD> The only confirmed numbers are the Israeli victims of the raid
    WD> which caused all this.
    WD> The numbers of Hamas, unverified, are just as reliable as
    WD> Putins ...

    Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple mass
    graves keep dead bodies well. For the he Hague trial. All people saw the criminal bombing in live reporting by Al-Jazira. Israel will answer for
    its hideous crimes in Gaza. If you are a Jew you are a bad Jew defending
    such a crime.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to alexander koryagin on Thu Mar 28 00:04:16 2024
    Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple mass
    graves keep dead bodies well.

    It looks similar to what is happening in Ukaraine.

    Civilian buildings and infrastructure under attack by the invasion forces contantly.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thu Mar 28 09:12:58 2024
    Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple mass
    graves keep dead bodies well. For the he Hague trial. All people saw the criminal bombing in live reporting by Al-Jazira. Israel will answer for
    its hideous crimes in Gaza. If you are a Jew you are a bad Jew defending such a crime.

    The Hamas-numbers are irrealistic, simple. If not independently verified there's little value to be attached ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Thu Mar 28 10:45:40 2024

    x) Wednesday Mar 27, 2024, 09:02. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    if somebody suffers from senility. And every nation has
    right to fight with occupants, as they said me. When the
    occupant complains about nasty partisans it sounds funny.
    The ones who target civilians are not partisans but terrorists.
    Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians and thousands
    of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\

    I doubt Israel targeted civilians.

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Thu Mar 28 10:49:28 2024

    x) Wednesday Mar 27, 2024, 09:22. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    Well, they either could go to Russia or accept their
    Ukrainian citizenship, not to invite Russia to start a
    colonial war. Also, don't mix Russian-speaking people
    with Russian citizens.
    Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and Russians.
    Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then supported
    fighting in East Ukraine then officially invaded Ukraine. We
    had quite good relations with Russia till then.
    Do you still believe people of Crimea are/were loyal to Ukraine and they never wanted to separate from it, after the coup in 2014?

    People - yes. Russian colonial government - no.

    In short, the people of Crimea had done what they had done only AFTER
    the coup which was the trigger of all the havoc in Ukraine.

    It was not people, it was Russian army.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alan Ianson on Fri Mar 29 09:20:52 2024
    Hi, Alan Ianson!
    I read your message from 28.03.2024 11:04

    ak>> Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple
    ak>> mass graves keep dead bodies well.

    AI> It looks similar to what is happening in Ukaraine.

    AI> Civilian buildings and infrastructure under attack by the invasion
    AI> forces contantly.

    Russian army has never bombed the civilian areas deliberately, at least
    when people live there. The only real threat for civilians in Ukraine is
    its air defence system which sometimes shots down Russia's rocket and
    they fall down in the residential area. The reason is simple - bombing civilians in Kiev, Ukraine East and South contradicts the main Putin's paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".
    Therefore Putin's army does all it can to prevent such strikes.

    Another matter in Gaza - Jews consider Palestinians as inferior people
    and they don't think long when they want to demolish another multi-story apartment noting a suspicious guy in the window.

    Bye, Alan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Fri Mar 29 09:31:50 2024
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 28.03.2024 11:45

    ak>>>> if somebody suffers from senility. And every
    ak>>>> nation has right to fight with occupants, as they
    ak>>>> said me. When the occupant complains about nasty
    ak>>>> partisans it sounds funny.
    AS>>> The ones who target civilians are not partisans but
    AS>>> terrorists.
    ak>> Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians
    ak>> and thousands of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\
    AS>
    AS> I doubt Israel targeted civilians.

    A lot of journalists around the world have worked in Gaza. Many have
    been killed by Israeli bombs thinking naive that if they are among
    civilians or in hospitals they are safe. The accusation of Israel in
    genocide has not been born of a empty place.

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Fri Mar 29 09:38:34 2024
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 28.03.2024 11:49

    ak>>>> Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and
    ak>>>> Russians.
    AS>>> Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then
    AS>>> supported fighting in East Ukraine then officially
    AS>>> invaded Ukraine. We had quite good relations with
    AS>>> Russia till then.
    ak>> Do you still believe people of Crimea are/were loyal to
    ak>> Ukraine and they never wanted to separate from it, after
    ak>> the coup in 2014?
    AS>
    AS> People - yes. Russian colonial government - no.

    You are blinded by Zelensky propaganda. Refresh you memory as it was in
    Crimea 2014 in reality.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTb-6xgQGpY

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Fri Mar 29 21:36:28 2024

    x) Friday Mar 29, 2024, 09:20. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alan Ianson.

    Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple
    mass graves keep dead bodies well.
    It looks similar to what is happening in Ukaraine.
    Civilian buildings and infrastructure under attack by the invasion
    forces contantly.
    Russian army has never bombed the civilian areas deliberately

    They doing it right now. Almost every day some civilians die in major cities due to Russian rockets/drones. And there are no military targets in these cities.

    paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".

    But the actual paradigm is "Restoration of the Russian empire", they even called the occuppied regions "New Russia".

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Fri Mar 29 21:27:46 2024

    x) Friday Mar 29, 2024, 09:38. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    Ukraine could be a country both Ukrainians and
    Russians.
    Indeed, it was. Before Putin annexed Crimea then
    supported fighting in East Ukraine then officially
    invaded Ukraine. We had quite good relations with
    Russia till then.
    Do you still believe people of Crimea are/were loyal to
    Ukraine and they never wanted to separate from it, after
    the coup in 2014?
    People - yes. Russian colonial government - no.
    You are blinded by Zelensky propaganda. Refresh you memory as it was in Crimea 2014 in reality.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTb-6xgQGpY

    They had also "Crimea is Ukraine" protests, and a resistance movement still active.

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Fri Mar 29 21:36:50 2024

    x) Friday Mar 29, 2024, 09:31. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    if somebody suffers from senility. And every
    nation has right to fight with occupants, as they
    said me. When the occupant complains about nasty
    partisans it sounds funny.
    The ones who target civilians are not partisans but
    terrorists.
    Agreed. Have you said about the butchery of the civilians
    and thousands of children in Gaza by Israeli bombing? ;-\
    I doubt Israel targeted civilians.
    A lot of journalists around the world have worked in Gaza. Many have
    been killed by Israeli bombs thinking naive that if they are among civilians or in hospitals they are safe. The accusation of Israel in genocide has not been born of a empty place.

    Well, I said about targeting, not collaterial damage.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5075/128.130 to Alex Shuman on Mon Apr 1 08:41:52 2024
    Hi, Alex Shuman!
    I read your message from 29.03.2024 22:36

    ak>>>> Multiple collapsed multy-story appartments as well as multiple
    ak>>>> mass graves keep dead bodies well.
    AI>>> It looks similar to what is happening in Ukaraine. Civilian
    AI>>> buildings and infrastructure under attack by the invasion forces
    AI>>> contantly.
    ak>> Russian army has never bombed the civilian areas deliberately

    ASI> They doing it right now. Almost every day some civilians die in
    ASI> major cities due to Russian rockets/drones. And there are no
    ASI> military targets in these cities.

    ak>> paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".

    ASI> But the actual paradigm is "Restoration of the Russian empire",
    ASI> they even called the occuppied regions "New Russia".


    Even from your point of view Putin's army has no any reason to bomb
    potential "new Russians". This is the difference between bombing in Gaza
    and Ukraine. In Gaza we have something close to genocide.

    Bye, Alex!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Mon Apr 1 12:22:12 2024
    ... In Gaza we have something close to genocide.

    In Russia there are vast tracts of unspoilt territory which the Russian government could open for settlement by the Palestinians. Russia could solve the problem...Siberia....

    Egypt could also solve the problem, it's an Arab area, warm, muslim ... Or Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the Emirates, others ... The real drama for the Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank is that no-one wants them ... Naahhh ... let the Israelis solve it ... Right?

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to alexander koryagin on Wed Apr 3 00:55:14 2024

    x) Monday Apr 01, 2024, 08:41. alexander koryagin ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    They doing it right now. Almost every day some civilians die in
    major cities due to Russian rockets/drones. And there are no
    military targets in these cities.
    paradigm for this war -- "liberation Russian people from Nazi".
    But the actual paradigm is "Restoration of the Russian empire",
    they even called the occuppied regions "New Russia".
    Even from your point of view Putin's army has no any reason to bomb potential "new Russians". This is the difference between bombing in Gaza and Ukraine. In Gaza we have something close to genocide.

    In Gaza, they have combatants stationed in/under the city. In major Ukrainian cities we don't. And Russian reason to bomb is terror.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alex Shuman on Wed Apr 3 01:24:20 2024
    In Gaza, they have combatants stationed in/under the city. In major Ukrainian cities we don't. And Russian reason to bomb is terror.

    In Gaza there's a proxy-war with Iran going on. As long as Iran's role is not recognized there will be no solution. They finance Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houttis and eventually there will be an all-out war between Israel and Iran to prevent "From the river to the sea" happening.

    Besides, Iran is also involved in the Russian aggression against Ukraine. It's an even bigger threat than Russia worldwide and Israel is our last stand against Islamism taking over Europe.

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  • From Alex Shuman@2:463/877 to Ward Dossche on Wed Apr 3 04:59:08 2024

    x) Wednesday Apr 03, 2024, 01:24. Ward Dossche ÄÄ Alex Shuman.

    Besides, Iran is also involved in the Russian aggression against Ukraine. It's an even bigger threat than Russia worldwide and Israel is our last stand against Islamism taking over Europe.

    Yes, Iran sells Shaheds to Russia, but I doubt it does so in support of Islamism, more like in support of a friendly dictatorship.

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