• Fidotest Tree

    From Fidotest Tree@2:221/6 to Everyone on Wed May 1 00:00:00 2024

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days

    221/6
    + 221/1
    | + 221/360
    | L 134/101
    + 154/10
    | L 2320/105
    | L 2320/107
    + 5020/1042
    | + 5020/715
    | | L 5023/24
    | + 3634/12
    | | L 153/7715
    | | L 229/426
    | | + 342/200
    | | | L 342/201
    | | + 229/664
    | | + 15/0
    | | | L 340/400
    | | | L 340/1101
    | | L 229/307
    | L 5075/128
    + 218/840
    | + 770/1
    | | + 80/1
    | | | L 801/188
    | | L 633/280
    | L 218/700
    + 341/234
    + 460/58
    | L 460/256
    + 301/1
    + 341/66
    | + 280/464
    | | + 240/1120
    | | | L 371/0
    | | | L 371/52
    | | + 396/45
    | | + 203/0
    | | | L 201/0
    | | | L 201/137
    | | + 712/848
    | | L 240/5832
    | | L 320/219
    | L 902/26
    | L 90/1
    | L 900/106
    L 153/757


    --- - ---
    * Origin: Fidotest Tree (2:221/6.0)
  • From Nil A@2:5015/46 to Fidotest Tree on Wed May 1 18:29:00 2024
    Hello, Fidotest!

    Wednesday May 01 2024 00:00, from Fidotest Tree -> Everyone:

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days

    221/6
    + 221/1
    | + 221/360
    | L 134/101
    + 154/10
    | L 2320/105
    | L 2320/107
    + 5020/1042
    | + 5020/715
    | | L 5023/24
    | + 3634/12
    | | L 153/7715
    | | L 229/426
    | | + 342/200
    | | | L 342/201
    | | + 229/664
    | | + 15/0
    | | | L 340/400
    | | | L 340/1101
    | | L 229/307
    | L 5075/128
    + 218/840
    | + 770/1
    | | + 80/1
    | | | L 801/188
    | | L 633/280
    | L 218/700
    + 341/234
    + 460/58
    | L 460/256
    + 301/1
    + 341/66
    | + 280/464
    | | + 240/1120
    | | | L 371/0
    | | | L 371/52
    | | + 396/45
    | | + 203/0
    | | | L 201/0
    | | | L 201/137
    | | + 712/848
    | | L 240/5832
    | | L 320/219
    | L 902/26
    | L 90/1
    | L 900/106
    L 153/757

    This is how it looks from my node.

    $ hpttree -d 30 fidotest
    hpttree/lnx 1.9

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days

    2:5020/1042
    + 2:221/6
    | + 2:218/840
    | | + 2:770/1
    | | | + 2:80/1
    | | | | L 2:801/188
    | | | L 2:633/280
    | | L 2:218/700
    | + 2:341/234
    | + 2:460/58
    | | L 2:460/256
    | + 2:221/1
    | + 2:153/757
    | L 2:341/66
    | + 2:280/464
    | | + 2:154/10
    | | | L 2:2320/105
    | | | L 2:2320/107
    | | + 2:396/45
    | | + 2:203/0
    | | | L 2:201/0
    | | | L 2:201/137
    | | L 2:240/5832
    | | L 2:320/219
    | L 2:902/26
    | L 2:90/1
    | L 2:900/106
    + 2:5020/715
    | L 2:5023/24
    + 2:301/1
    | L 2:712/848
    + 2:3634/12
    | + 2:240/1120
    | | L 2:371/0
    | | L 2:371/52
    | L 2:153/7715
    | L 2:229/426
    | + 2:342/200
    | | L 2:342/201
    | + 2:229/664
    | + 2:15/0
    | | L 2:340/400
    | | L 2:340/1101
    | L 2:229/307
    + 2:5075/128
    L 2:467/888

    Generated by hpttree/lnx 1.9


    Best Regards, Nil
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240306
    * Origin: FidoNet member since 1995 (2:5015/46)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Nil A on Wed May 1 18:31:18 2024
    Hello Nil,

    On Wed, 01 May 2024 18:29:00 +0300, you wrote to Fidotest Tree:

    This is how it looks from my node.

    $ hpttree -d 30 fidotest
    hpttree/lnx 1.9

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days

    | | + 2:154/10
    + 2:3634/12
    | L 2:229/426
    | + 2:342/200
    | | L 2:342/201
    | + 2:229/664
    | + 2:15/0
    | | L 2:340/400
    | | L 2:340/1101
    | L 2:229/307

    Except, a lot of the above should be zone 1. I also think there was one or more zone 3 addresses in your tree too, that were shown as Z2.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: _thePharcyde distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Gleb Hlebov@2:5023/24.4222 to Nicholas Boel on Thu May 2 08:57:08 2024
    Hi Nicholas,

    Wed 01 May 2024 at 18:31, you wrote to Nil A:

    | + 2:15/0
    | | L 2:340/400
    | | L 2:340/1101
    | L 2:229/307
    Except, a lot of the above should be zone 1. I also think there was
    one or more zone 3 addresses in your tree too, that were shown as Z2.

    It's a funny historical "bug", because looking at many SEEN-BYs you have to guess which zone (of the four) it is now. HptTree seems to default everything to z2.


    ... I got a job at a bakery because I kneaded dough
    --- A Damned Hobbyist 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Microstuff, Inc. (2:5023/24.4222)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Nicholas Boel on Thu May 2 18:32:56 2024
    On 01/05/2024 23.31, Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Hello Nil,

    On Wed, 01 May 2024 18:29:00 +0300, you wrote to Fidotest Tree:

    This is how it looks from my node.

    $ hpttree -d 30 fidotest
    hpttree/lnx 1.9

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days

    | | + 2:154/10
    + 2:3634/12
    | L 2:229/426
    | + 2:342/200
    | | L 2:342/201
    | + 2:229/664
    | + 2:15/0
    | | L 2:340/400
    | | L 2:340/1101
    | L 2:229/307

    Except, a lot of the above should be zone 1. I also think there was one
    or more zone 3 addresses in your tree too, that were shown as Z2.

    My fidotest robot strips the zone because of this. Someone should make hpttree to search the nodelist for the correct zone. ;)

    'Tommi

    --- FMail-lnx64 2.3.2.3-B20240427
    * Origin: nntp://news.fidonet.fi (2:221/6.0)
  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Gleb Hlebov on Thu May 2 18:32:18 2024
    * Originally in fidotest
    * Crossposted in ru.ftn.develop
    Hello, Gleb!

    Thursday May 02 2024 08:57, from Gleb Hlebov -> Nicholas Boel:

    | + 2:15/0
    | | L 2:340/400
    | | L 2:340/1101
    | L 2:229/307
    Except, a lot of the above should be zone 1. I also think there
    was one or more zone 3 addresses in your tree too, that were
    shown as Z2.

    It's a funny historical "bug", because looking at many SEEN-BYs you
    have to guess which zone (of the four) it is now. HptTree seems to
    default everything to z2.

    Exactly, it has a notion of home zone. FTN is a pretty dated and legacy system with some workarounds here and there to overcome the limitations and have a backwards compatibility with the DOS software from late 80x, early 90x.

    PATH and SEEN-BY keywords, not really kludges even, have been stuck with 2D-address schema since the introduction of FTS-4 back in 86-87.

    When IP took over the world, the zonegate guys became obsolete cause you just cannot control the amount of cross zone links sysop could establish. I really appreciate the decision made at some point to have network numbers unique across all zones.

    Best Regards, Nil
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240306
    * Origin: FidoNet member since 1995 (2:5015/46)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10.213 to Tommi Koivula on Thu May 2 12:14:18 2024
    Hello Tommi,

    On Thursday, 02.05.24 15:32:56, you wrote:

    Except, a lot of the above should be zone 1. I also think there was one or
    more zone 3 addresses in your tree too, that were shown as Z2.

    My fidotest robot strips the zone because of this. Someone should make hpttree to search the nodelist for the correct zone. ;)

    I think you just volunteered yourself. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
    --- WinPoint 415.0
    * Origin: _thePharcyde WinPoint test station (1:154/10.213)
  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Nicholas Boel on Thu May 2 22:27:44 2024
    On Thu, 2 May 2024 12:14:18 -0500 Nicholas Boel wrote:



    >> Except, a lot of the above should be zone 1. I also think
    >> there was one or more zone 3 addresses in your tree too, that
    >> were shown as Z2.

    TK> My fidotest robot strips the zone because of this. Someone
    TK> should make hpttree to search the nodelist for the correct
    TK> zone. ;)

    I think you just volunteered yourself. ;)

    Not very high priority in my todo list. ;)

    'Tommi

    ---
    * Origin: jamnntpd/lnx (2:221/1.0)
  • From Gleb Hlebov@2:5023/24.4222 to Nil Alexandrov on Fri May 3 08:52:04 2024
    Hi Nil,

    Thu 02 May 2024 at 18:32, you wrote to me:

    I really appreciate the decision made at some point to have
    network numbers unique across all zones.

    Hm... They are, indeed. Funny I haven't noticed that before.
    There is 1:220, but we can't have 1:221 and 2:221 on the same list. :-)


    ... End of message. Confused? Me too! :-)
    --- A Damned Hobbyist 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: Microstuff, Inc. (2:5023/24.4222)
  • From Fidotest Tree@2:221/6 to Everyone on Thu Aug 1 00:00:00 2024

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days

    221/6
    + 5020/1042
    + 460/58
    | L 280/464
    | + 712/848
    | | L 712/620
    | + 103/705
    | L 240/1120
    | L 371/0
    | L 371/52
    + 154/10
    | + 3634/12
    | | + 135/115
    | | | L 135/366
    | | L 153/7715
    | | L 229/426
    | | + 229/307
    | | L 229/664
    | L 2320/105
    | L 2320/107
    + 341/66
    L 221/1


    --- - ---
    * Origin: Fidotest Tree (2:221/6.0)
  • From Fidotest Tree@2:221/6 to Everyone on Sun Sep 1 00:00:00 2024

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days

    221/6
    + 218/840
    | L 218/700
    + 341/66
    + 221/1
    | + 320/219
    | + 280/464
    | | + 203/0
    | | | L 201/0
    | | | L 201/137
    | | + 240/1120
    | | | L 371/0
    | | | L 371/52
    | | + 396/45
    | | | L 387/18
    | | + 103/705
    | | L 712/848
    | | L 229/426
    | | + 229/114
    | | + 229/664
    | | L 229/307
    | | L 229/308
    | + 292/854
    | L 134/101
    | L 153/7715
    + 460/58
    + 154/10
    | + 226/44
    | L 2320/105
    | L 2320/107
    + 5020/1042
    | + 5020/715
    | + 5020/4441
    | | L 5030/1081
    | + 5015/46
    | + 104/117
    | L 3634/12
    + 301/1
    + 153/757
    L 221/10


    --- - ---
    * Origin: Fidotest Tree (2:221/6.0)
  • From Fidotest Tree@2:221/6 to Everyone on Tue Oct 1 00:00:00 2024

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days

    221/6
    + 154/10
    | + 226/18
    | L 3634/12
    | L 135/115
    + 341/66
    + 221/1
    | + 203/0
    | | L 201/0
    | | L 201/137
    | + 320/219
    | + 280/464
    | | + 396/45
    | | | L 387/18
    | | + 240/1120
    | | | + 291/111
    | | | L 371/0
    | | | L 371/52
    | | + 310/31
    | | L 633/280
    | L 221/360
    + 301/1
    | L 103/705
    + 341/234
    L 218/840
    L 218/700
    L 229/426
    + 229/307
    | L 229/308
    L 229/664


    --- - ---
    * Origin: Fidotest Tree (2:221/6.0)
  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Fidotest Tree on Tue Oct 1 04:11:52 2024
    Hello, Fidotest!

    01 Oct 24 00:00, from Fidotest Tree -> Everyone:

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days
    221/6
    + 154/10
    | + 226/18
    | L 3634/12
    | L 135/115
    + 341/66
    + 221/1
    | + 203/0
    | | L 201/0
    | | L 201/137
    | + 320/219
    | + 280/464
    | | + 396/45
    | | | L 387/18
    | | + 240/1120
    | | | + 291/111
    | | | L 371/0
    | | | L 371/52
    | | + 310/31
    | | L 633/280
    | L 221/360
    + 301/1
    | L 103/705
    + 341/234
    L 218/840
    L 218/700
    L 229/426
    + 229/307
    | L 229/308
    L 229/664

    Your robot can see the world through the small hole somewhere in the middle of a small Europe, whereas my robot have visibility into a huge country which covers both Europe and Asia, and as a result the output is a bit longer.

    Distribution tree of area fidotest
    2:5020/1042
    + 2:221/6
    | + 2:341/234
    | + 2:154/10
    | | + 2:3634/12
    | | | + 2:135/115
    | | | | + 2:135/205
    | | | | L 2:135/366
    | | | L 2:123/160
    | | + 2:2320/105
    | | | L 2:2320/107
    | | + 2:226/44
    | | L 2:226/18
    | + 2:221/1
    | | + 2:203/0
    | | | L 2:201/0
    | | | L 2:201/137
    | | + 2:280/464
    | | | + 2:633/280
    | | | + 2:240/1120
    | | | | + 2:371/0
    | | | | | L 2:371/52
    | | | | L 2:291/111
    | | | + 2:396/45
    | | | | + 2:130/230
    | | | | + 2:19/40
    | | | | L 2:387/18
    | | | + 2:310/31
    | | | + 2:712/848
    | | | | L 2:712/620
    | | | + 2:240/5832
    | | | L 2:280/5003
    | | | L 2:280/2050
    | | + 2:292/854
    | | + 2:320/219
    | | | L 2:322/762
    | | + 2:221/360
    | | + 2:423/81
    | | L 2:134/101
    | | L 2:153/7715
    | + 2:218/840
    | | + 2:218/700
    | | | L 2:229/426
    | | | + 2:105/81
    | | | | L 2:105/10
    | | | + 2:229/275
    | | | + 2:229/664
    | | | + 2:342/200
    | | | | L 2:342/201
    | | | + 2:15/0
    | | | | L 2:340/400
    | | | | L 2:340/1101
    | | | + 2:229/307
    | | | | L 2:229/308
    | | | + 2:229/317
    | | | + 2:229/300
    | | | L 2:229/114
    | | L 2:770/1
    | | + 2:80/1
    | | | L 2:801/188
    | | L 2:267/800
    | | L 2:267/331
    | + 2:460/58
    | | + 2:460/256
    | | L 2:460/5858
    | + 2:341/66
    | | + 2:341/200
    | | L 2:902/26
    | | L 2:90/1
    | | L 2:900/106
    | + 2:335/364
    | | L 2:333/808
    | | L 2:333/801
    | + 2:221/10
    | L 2:153/757
    | L 2:153/151
    + 2:5020/715
    | L 2:5023/24
    + 2:301/1
    | + 2:280/5555
    | L 2:103/705
    + 2:467/888
    + 2:5075/128
    + 2:5020/4441
    | L 2:5030/1081
    L 2:104/117

    Best Regards, Nil
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240306
    * Origin: FidoNet member since 1995 (2:5015/46)
  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Nil Alexandrov on Tue Oct 1 11:45:18 2024

    Hello Nil!

    01 Oct 24 04:11, you wrote to Fidotest Tree:

    Your robot can see the world through the small hole somewhere in the middle of a small Europe, whereas my robot have visibility into a huge country which covers both Europe and Asia, and as a result the output
    is a bit longer.

    Distribution tree of area fidotest
    2:5020/1042
    + 2:221/6
    | + 2:341/234
    | + 2:154/10
    | | + 2:3634/12
    | | | + 2:135/115
    | | | | + 2:135/205
    | | | | L 2:135/366
    | | | L 2:123/160
    | | + 2:2320/105
    | | | L 2:2320/107
    | | + 2:226/44
    | | L 2:226/18
    | + 2:221/1
    | | + 2:203/0
    | | | L 2:201/0
    | | | L 2:201/137
    | | + 2:280/464
    | | | + 2:633/280
    [...]

    Except yours thinks everyone is in zone 2....


    Stephen


    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240302
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair ---:- dragon.vk3heg.net -:--- Prt: 6800 (3:633/280)
  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Stephen Walsh on Tue Oct 1 05:37:20 2024
    Hello, Stephen!

    01 Oct 24 11:45, from Stephen Walsh -> Nil Alexandrov:

    Your robot can see the world through the small hole somewhere in
    a middle of a small Europe, whereas my robot have visibility
    into the huge country which covers both Europe and Asia, and as a
    result the output is a bit longer.

    Distribution tree of area fidotest
    2:5020/1042
    + 2:221/6
    | + 2:341/234
    | + 2:154/10
    | | + 2:3634/12
    | | | + 2:135/115
    | | | | + 2:135/205
    | | | | L 2:135/366
    | | | L 2:123/160
    | | + 2:2320/105
    | | | L 2:2320/107
    | | + 2:226/44
    | | L 2:226/18
    | + 2:221/1
    | | + 2:203/0
    | | | L 2:201/0
    | | | L 2:201/137
    | | + 2:280/464
    | | | + 2:633/280
    [...]

    Except yours thinks everyone is in zone 2....

    Very true. I have zero FNT peering with Z3, so my view of world is limited but still a bit wider than the original post.

    BTW, we can fix it by establishing a binkp link. if you are interested, netmail me the session/pkt/areafix pwd.


    Best Regards, Nil
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240306
    * Origin: FidoNet member since 1995 (2:5015/46)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Nil Alexandrov on Tue Oct 1 16:47:52 2024
    Hello Nil,

    On Tue, Oct 01 2024 02:37:20 -0500, you wrote:

    | + 2:154/10
    | | + 2:3634/12
    | | | + 2:135/115
    | | | | + 2:135/205
    | | | | L 2:135/366
    | | | L 2:123/160
    | | + 2:2320/105
    | | | L 2:2320/107
    | | + 2:226/44
    | | L 2:226/18

    Except yours thinks everyone is in zone 2....

    Very true. I have zero FNT peering with Z3, so my view of world is
    limited but still a bit wider than the original post.

    Or Z1, apparently, since all of the above quoted links are Z1.. starting with my own. :(

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... He who laughs last, thinks slowest.
    --- slrn/pre1.0.4-9 (Linux)
    * Origin: The Pharcyde ~ telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Nil Alexandrov@2:5015/46 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Oct 2 02:39:56 2024
    * Originally in fidotest
    * Crossposted in fidosoft.husky
    Hello, Nicholas!

    01 Oct 24 16:47, from Nicholas Boel -> Nil Alexandrov:

    | + 2:154/10
    | | + 2:3634/12
    | | | + 2:135/115
    | | | | + 2:135/205
    | | | | L 2:135/366
    | | | L 2:123/160
    | | + 2:2320/105
    | | | L 2:2320/107
    | | + 2:226/44
    | | L 2:226/18

    Except yours thinks everyone is in zone 2....

    Very true. I have zero FTN peering with Z3, so my view of world
    is limited but still a bit wider than the original post.

    Or Z1, apparently, since all of the above quoted links are Z1..
    starting with my own. :(

    Actually, you are right again. There is a bug in husky hpttree utility. It treats 2D PATH addresses as if they were belonging to your default/home zone number. The improvement could be that hpttree would parse out the real zone number from the origin line.

    Best Regards, Nil
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240306
    * Origin: FidoNet member since 1995 (2:5015/46)
  • From Stephen Walsh@3:633/280 to Nil Alexandrov on Thu Oct 3 10:32:34 2024

    Hello Nil!

    01 Oct 24 05:37, you wrote to me:

    | | + 2:280/464
    | | | + 2:633/280
    [...]

    Except yours thinks everyone is in zone 2....

    Very true. I have zero FNT peering with Z3, so my view of world is
    limited but still a bit wider than the original post.

    Even so, 633/280 is a zone 3 system. %-)

    BTW, we can fix it by establishing a binkp link. if you are interested, netmail me the session/pkt/areafix pwd.

    I doubt that would fix the issue, if the software is lacking in knowing other zones.


    Stephen


    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240302
    * Origin: Dragon's Lair ---:- dragon.vk3heg.net -:--- Prt: 6800 (3:633/280)
  • From Vitaliy Aksyonov@1:104/117 to Stephen Walsh on Thu Oct 3 07:07:58 2024
    Hello Stephen.

    03 Oct 24 10:32, you wrote to Nil Alexandrov:

    | | + 2:280/464
    | | | + 2:633/280
    [...]

    Except yours thinks everyone is in zone 2....

    Very true. I have zero FNT peering with Z3, so my view of world
    is limited but still a bit wider than the original post.

    Even so, 633/280 is a zone 3 system. %-)

    BTW, we can fix it by establishing a binkp link. if you are
    interested, netmail me the session/pkt/areafix pwd.

    I doubt that would fix the issue, if the software is lacking in
    knowing other zones.

    Easiest fix would be to print a tree without zone numbers.

    Vitaliy

    ... Hakuna matata
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20240309
    * Origin: Aurora, Colorado (1:104/117)
  • From Fidotest Tree@2:221/6 to Everyone on Fri Nov 1 00:00:02 2024

    Distribution tree of area fidotest for last 30 days

    221/6
    + 5020/1042
    | + 5015/46
    | L 104/117
    + 218/840
    | + 770/1
    | | + 633/280
    | | | L 633/2744
    | | L 267/800
    | | L 267/331
    | L 218/700
    | L 229/426
    | + 229/664
    | + 229/452
    | + 342/200
    | | L 342/201
    | + 229/307
    | L 128/187
    | L 340/400
    | L 340/1101
    + 154/10
    | + 3634/12
    | | + 3634/56
    | | L 3634/59
    | L 2320/105
    + 153/757
    | L 153/143
    + 221/1
    | + 203/0
    | | L 201/0
    | | L 201/137
    | + 134/101
    | | L 153/7715
    | L 320/219
    + 341/66
    | L 280/464
    | + 280/5003
    | | L 280/2060
    | + 240/1120
    | | + 550/278
    | | L 371/0
    | | L 371/52
    | + 396/45
    | L 240/5832
    + 460/58
    + 301/1
    | L 301/123
    L 341/234


    --- - ---
    * Origin: Fidotest Tree (2:221/6.0)