• nonbsp update

    From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sun May 5 13:08:38 2024
    On Mon, 6 May 2024 01:14:18 +0300, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    If some news archive software is searching for "X-NO-ARCHIVE", it might
    be happy to find "RFC-X-NO-ARCHIVE". :)

    Also very possible. Then again, it may just skip it because it has no idea what it's supposed to mean. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Nicholas Boel on Sun May 5 22:28:10 2024
    Hi Nicholas,

    On 2024-05-05 07:10:28, you wrote to me:

    Right, but the question is (after reading that wiki site, and finding
    no reference to said prefix), is if the newsgroup software(s) are
    looking for an "X-NO-ARCHIVE" or an "RFC-X-NO-ARCHIVE" header field. According to the above, adding the "RFC" prefix would cause the search
    for the proper header field to fail, as would the rest of the ones
    Tommi has changed. That's why I asked.

    I don't remember the details from when I started using it. It was recommended to add it this way...

    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Carlos Navarro@2:341/234.1 to All on Wed May 1 20:07:14 2024
    07 Apr 2024 20:19, I wrote to you:

    I've added a couple new settings to my JamNNTPd fork (https://github.com/cnb/jamnntpd/) that I hope will fix some of the
    issues with spaces and quotes.

    - def_nonbsp (user parameter nonbsp) for replacing UTF-8 non-breaking spaces by regular spaces.

    I've improved that feature with this commit:

    https://github.com/cnb/jamnntpd/commit/0896df56e754770ef0d9730d7e0260ca896fe54f

    - replace Unicode NBSPs only in UTF-8 articles
    - replace NBSPs also in ISO-8859-* and Windows-125x articles

    Carlos

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Carlos Navarro on Wed May 1 18:35:50 2024
    Hello Carlos,

    On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:07:14 +0200, you wrote to All:

    I've improved that feature with this commit:

    Thanks Carlos!

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Carlos Navarro on Sat May 4 08:17:00 2024
    On 01.05.2024 23:35, Nicholas Boel wrote:

    On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:07:14 +0200, you wrote to All:

     CN>> I've improved that feature with this commit:

    Thanks Carlos!

    Thanks Carlos! :)

    'Tommi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@1:154/10 to Nicholas Boel on Sat May 4 00:43:00 2024
    On 02.05.2024 7:35, Nicholas Boel -> Carlos Navarro wrote:

    Hello Carlos,

    On Wed, 01 May 2024 20:07:14 +0200, you wrote to All:

     CN>> I've improved that feature with this commit:

    Thanks Carlos!

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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    Test.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sat May 4 08:41:38 2024
    On Sat, 4 May 2024 05:43:00 -0500, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Test.

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    Not sure if you actually saw anything odd, but there was a typo in my commit, pointed out by Carlos, that has since been fixed.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sat May 4 09:37:48 2024
    On Sat, 4 May 2024 05:43:00 -0500, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    I've improved that feature with this commit:

    Thanks Carlos!

    Test.

    Testing another typo fix in 2.4.3 commit.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Nicholas Boel on Sat May 4 18:28:08 2024
    On 04.05.2024 13:41, Nicholas Boel wrote:

    On Sat, 4 May 2024 05:43:00 -0500, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

     TK> Test.

     TK> ...
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    Not sure if you actually saw anything odd, but there was a typo in my
    commit, pointed out by Carlos, that has since been fixed.

    Yes I did. I applied your pathes to smapinntpd, and then reverted back. Tested your server also.

    Then I had no time to test more. ;)

    Continuing now..

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sat May 4 10:40:16 2024
    On Sat, 4 May 2024 23:28:08 +0300, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Yes I did. I applied your pathes to smapinntpd, and then reverted back. Tested your server also.

    Then I had no time to test more. ;)

    Continuing now..

    Fixed now. I fixed the typo that was in both forks as pointed out by Carlos, and then found another typo in Smapinntpd only. No more adding patches in a hurry, that's for sure. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Nicholas Boel on Sat May 4 18:48:18 2024
    On 04.05.2024 14:37, Nicholas Boel wrote:

    On Sat, 4 May 2024 05:43:00 -0500, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    I've improved that feature with this commit:

    Thanks Carlos!

    Test.

    Testing another typo fix in 2.4.3 commit.

    I think I've got it ok now. ;)

    'Tommi

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sat May 4 10:52:32 2024
    On Sat, 4 May 2024 23:48:18 +0300, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    I think I've got it ok now. ;)

    That's good. I was worried about you for a second there. ;)

    BTW, is "@RFC-User-Agent:" a better choice over "NOTE:" according to some such standards I don't care to read? I've noticed you recently changed this.

    By all means, please feel free to share your findings and suggestions.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Nicholas Boel on Sat May 4 19:14:44 2024
    On 04.05.2024 15:52, Nicholas Boel wrote:

    On Sat, 4 May 2024 23:48:18 +0300, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    I think I've got it ok now. ;)

    That's good. I was worried about you for a second there. ;)

    Sorry. ;D

    BTW, is "@RFC-User-Agent:" a better choice over "NOTE:" according to
    some such standards I don't care to read? I've noticed you recently
    changed this.

    I wanted to "log" something from nntp client to kludges. So NOTE was changed to what the client sends.. Just for testing..

    X-SMAPI-Control: @RFC-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/115.10
    X-SMAPI-Control: @RFC-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed X-SMAPI-Control: @RFC-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    'Tommi

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sat May 4 12:20:36 2024
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 00:14:44 +0300, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    BTW, is "@RFC-User-Agent:" a better choice over "NOTE:" according to
    some such standards I don't care to read? I've noticed you recently
    changed this.

    I wanted to "log" something from nntp client to kludges. So NOTE was changed to what the client sends.. Just for testing..

    X-SMAPI-Control: @RFC-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64;
    x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/115.10
    X-SMAPI-Control: @RFC-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
    X-SMAPI-Control: @RFC-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    Is that specific to Thunderbird and/or Sylpheed? I believe slrn and tin it doesn't use or display "RFC". It just sends "User-Agent:", "Content-Type:", and "Content-Transfer-Encoding:".

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1 to Nicholas Boel on Sat May 4 20:34:10 2024
    On 04.05.2024 20:20, Nicholas Boel wrote:

    On Sun, 5 May 2024 00:14:44 +0300, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    BTW, is "@RFC-User-Agent:" a better choice over "NOTE:" according to
    some such standards I don't care to read? I've noticed you recently
    changed this.

    I wanted to "log" something from nntp client to kludges. So NOTE was changed to what the client sends.. Just for testing..

    X-SMAPI-Control: @RFC-User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:115.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/115.10
    X-SMAPI-Control: @RFC-Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
    X-SMAPI-Control: @RFC-Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

    Is that specific to Thunderbird and/or Sylpheed? I believe slrn and tin
    it doesn't use or display "RFC". It just sends "User-Agent:", "Content-Type:", and "Content-Transfer-Encoding:".

    The "RFC-" part of the kludge was added by me.

    'Tommi

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sat May 4 13:59:56 2024
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 01:34:10 +0300, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Is that specific to Thunderbird and/or Sylpheed? I believe slrn and tin
    it doesn't use or display "RFC". It just sends "User-Agent:",
    "Content-Type:", and "Content-Transfer-Encoding:".

    The "RFC-" part of the kludge was added by me.

    I get that. But, did you get that from some technical document that that should be in use?

    Or is this something you've just done yourself because FMail adds a RFC-X-NO-ARCHIVE kludge?

    From Wikipedia:

    "The proper field to prevent a message from being archived is: X-No-Archive: Yes (abbreviated as "XNAY")."

    So I imagine what FMail is doing, isn't actually preventing messages from being archived.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1.1 to Nicholas Boel on Sun May 5 08:24:12 2024
    On 04.05.2024 13:59, Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Is that specific to Thunderbird and/or Sylpheed? I believe slrn
    and tin it doesn't use or display "RFC". It just sends
    "User-Agent:", "Content-Type:", and
    "Content-Transfer-Encoding:".

    The "RFC-" part of the kludge was added by me.

    I get that. But, did you get that from some technical document that
    that should be in use?

    Nope.. Just my own thing, something what soupgate does..

    Or is this something you've just done yourself because FMail adds a RFC-X-NO-ARCHIVE kludge?

    Nothing to do with FMail. Actually I cannot find anything like that in
    fmail docs or in the code. Maybe it is the GoldED of Wilfred that is
    adding that kludge. ;)

    From Wikipedia:

    "The proper field to prevent a message from being archived is:
    X-No-Archive: Yes (abbreviated as "XNAY")."

    So I imagine what FMail is doing, isn't actually preventing messages
    from being archived.

    In the fidonet, probably not.

    'Tommi

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Tommi Koivula on Sun May 5 12:46:52 2024
    Hi Tommi,

    On 2024-05-05 08:24:13, you wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Or is this something you've just done yourself because FMail adds a
    RFC-X-NO-ARCHIVE kludge?

    Nothing to do with FMail. Actually I cannot find anything like that in fmail docs or in the code.

    It indeed has nothing to do with FMail.

    Maybe it is the GoldED of Wilfred that is adding that kludge. ;)

    That is true.

    From Wikipedia:

    "The proper field to prevent a message from being archived is:
    X-No-Archive: Yes (abbreviated as "XNAY")."

    So I imagine what FMail is doing, isn't actually preventing messages
    from being archived.

    In the fidonet, probably not.

    I have no illusions about that. It's incase my messages are gated to newsgroups in some of the fido areas...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Tommi Koivula on Sun May 5 07:02:20 2024
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 13:24:12 +0300, Tommi Koivula -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

    I get that. But, did you get that from some technical document that
    that should be in use?

    Nope.. Just my own thing, something what soupgate does..

    Ah, ok.

    Or is this something you've just done yourself because FMail adds a
    RFC-X-NO-ARCHIVE kludge?

    Nothing to do with FMail. Actually I cannot find anything like that in fmail docs or in the code. Maybe it is the GoldED of Wilfred that is adding that kludge. ;)

    That's also possible. I just don't understand where the "RFC" prefix came from for some of these headers (even the few already in use in Fidonet). I can't find any reference to that prefix anywhere.


    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun May 5 07:10:28 2024
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 17:46:52 +0200, Wilfred Van Velzen -> Tommi Koivula wrote:

    It indeed has nothing to do with FMail.

    Maybe it is the GoldED of Wilfred that is adding that kludge. ;)

    That is true.

    Thank you for clarification, however *what* was adding that kludge wasn't really the point.

    From Wikipedia:

    "The proper field to prevent a message from being archived is:
    X-No-Archive: Yes (abbreviated as "XNAY")."

    So I imagine what FMail is doing, isn't actually preventing messages
    from being archived.

    I have no illusions about that. It's incase my messages are gated to newsgroups in some of the fido areas...

    Right, but the question is (after reading that wiki site, and finding no reference to said prefix), is if the newsgroup software(s) are looking for an "X-NO-ARCHIVE" or an "RFC-X-NO-ARCHIVE" header field. According to the above, adding the "RFC" prefix would cause the search for the proper header field to fail, as would the rest of the ones Tommi has changed. That's why I asked.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Nicholas Boel on Sun May 5 20:14:18 2024
    Nicholas Boel wrote:

    Right, but the question is (after reading that wiki site, and
    finding no reference to said prefix), is if the newsgroup software
    (s) are looking for an "X-NO-ARCHIVE" or an "RFC-X-NO-ARCHIVE"
    header field. According to the above, adding the "RFC" prefix would
    cause the search for the proper header field to fail, as would the
    rest of the ones Tommi has changed. That's why I asked.

    If some news archive software is searching for "X-NO-ARCHIVE", it might
    be happy to find "RFC-X-NO-ARCHIVE". :)

    'Tommi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1.1 to Nicholas Boel on Sun May 5 20:20:30 2024
    Nicholas Boel wrote:

    That's also possible. I just don't understand where the "RFC"
    prefix came from for some of these headers (even the few already in
    use in Fidonet). I can't find any reference to that prefix anywhere.

    Well, even GoldED has some 'RFC' things in its internet support..

    'Tommi

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1.1 to Nicholas Boel on Sun May 5 20:49:48 2024
    Hi Nicholas.

    05 May 24 20:20:30, I wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    That's also possible. I just don't understand where the "RFC"
    prefix came from for some of these headers (even the few already in
    use in Fidonet). I can't find any reference to that prefix anywhere.

    Well, even GoldED has some 'RFC' things in its internet support..

    However, even if I set "AREAISNEWS JAMNNTPD", GoldED will not use the
    "RFC-" prefix.

    Ok, Offtopic here. ;)

    'Tommi

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