It wouldn't surprise me if BBBS forced LATIN-1 no matter what you use externally. ;(

BBBS uses whatever you have it set to. UTF-8 is not one of the choices currently. The documentation says utf8 support has begun but it isn't complete.

Time will tell if that ever happens.

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On Wed, 8 May 2024 00:42:00 -0700, Alan Ianson -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

It wouldn't surprise me if BBBS forced LATIN-1 no matter what you use
externally. ;(

BBBS uses whatever you have it set to. UTF-8 is not one of the choices currently. The documentation says utf8 support has begun but it isn't complete.

Time will tell if that ever happens.

He was trying to use CP437, not UTF-8.

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Alan!

Time will tell if that ever happens.

Is 12 years enough to tell the tale? ;-)

Anyhow setting the "Settings" from ISO to IBM has no effect no matter what client I use or what it's settings are.

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Maurice

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Time will tell if that ever happens.

Is 12 years enough to tell the tale? ;-)

I guess that depends on the tale.. :)

Anyhow setting the "Settings" from ISO to IBM has no effect no matter what client I use or what it's settings are.

I don't know what the difference is between ISO, IBM and US7.

It looks like a mess to me.

I'd like to drop all of that and go with utf8 since I think that is what we all have in common.

Wait a minute. What about all these retro systems. Is utf8 doable for them. Maybe not.

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Hey Alan!

It looks like a mess to me.

That is because it is a mess and has been since way back when.

I'd like to drop all of that and go with utf8

Either that or stick with 7-bit ascii only. I seriously doubt any of the DOS-think developers will ever get 8-bit encodings right nevermind utf8. They have a long standing tradition of being total fuckups when it cones to standardization and compatibility. This is nothing new. The 12 years I'm talking about is since fts-5003.001 became official.

What about all these retro systems. Is utf8 doable for them.

Yes and no. They lack the proper fonts, as well as understanding of multibyte characters but they have no issue with reproducing utf8 codes when quoting them. It is things like golded that get everything wrong and grunge multibyte characters. My best guess why this is so is probably the same reason(s) as to why they fucked up, and continue to fuck up, ISO encodings as well as others. The IBM ones are as close as they seem to get to compatibilty with real world standards (eg CP866).

Anyhow that is what I've observered over the past 35 years or so. For my part I love getting things right and flying the results. fts-5003.001 came as a surprise but I was ready for it. It was only about four years late which be my math puts BBBS 16 years behind the times.

I would appreciate being proved wrong about the above.

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Maurice

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Hey All!

Just one more test using links as the cliant with the character set as cp437. Any bets on it actually working?

Life is good,
Maurice

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On Tue, 7 May 2024 03:30:04 -0700, Maurice Kinal -> All wrote:

Just one more test using links as the cliant with the character set as cp437. Any bets on it actually working?

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Did you forget a subject?

It wouldn't surprise me if BBBS forced LATIN-1 no matter what you use externally. ;(

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Nicholas!

Did you forget a subject?

That time I did. I noticed it too late.

It wouldn't surprise me if BBBS forced LATIN-1 no matter what you
use externally. ;(

That looks to be the truth of the matter. It wouldn't be so bad if I knew what LATIN-1 actually is. IANA has it listed as some MS 3.1 thingy that when searched yeilds no real results, not even from MS. I am guessing MS just listed it as a place holder on all things LATIN-1, whatever it means ... if anything.

Oh well, I tried. I think I'll stick with utf8 no matter what and leave the bullshit to the DOS-think developers to duke it out for dominance over all obsolence and other abandonware. :::snicker:::

Life is good,
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