How did we get to the point where so much of our infrastructure could be b by like this by what appears to be one vendor's mistake.... This is the ki outage that the likes of cloudstrike are supposed to protect us from!
kirkspragg wrote to All <=-
How did we get to the point where so much of our infrastructure could
be broken by like this by what appears to be one vendor's mistake....
This is the kind of outage that the likes of cloudstrike are supposed
to protect us from!
Hope you all have not been badly affected by this, and that those of
you in IT haven't had your weekends ruined by this.
halian wrote to kirkspragg <=-
The people at the levers have forgotten (or been forced by mid
manglement to forget) that the butt is just someone else's computer.
Moving from on-prem to the cloud, then back to on-prem again is like an employment protection act - always project work to be had, moving back
and forth!
Condolences to any of you who have been affected by this. It looks pretty bad - this appears to be a first class IT cock-up of the highest order:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kateoflahertyuk/2024/07/19/ crowdstrike-windows-outage-what-happened-and-what-to-do-next/
How did we get to the point where so much of our infrastructure could be broken by like this by what appears to be one vendor's mistake.... This is the kind of outage that the likes of cloudstrike are supposed to protect us from!
I've had a couple of people ask why they can't use Macs at work. :)
Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
By: poindexter FORTRAN to kirkspragg on Fri Jul 19 2024 07:10 am
I've had a couple of people ask why they can't use Macs at work.
:)
I've seen some developers say they think Macs are the best computers for software development, as they have a lot of *nix-like stuff
pre-installed that are useful for software development. I have noticed
that a lot of web developers seem to like Macs, though I don't really
get the correlation there. In my 21 years of experience as a software developer though, most of the places I've worked at have tended to use Windows computers, with a few exceptions - The first developer job I had
was at a small startup using Linux, and a couple places where most of
the developers preferred Mac (and again, I'm not entirely sure what made
so many people at one place prefer Mac).
I work at a startup in the US (so not big company) and almost all the 'full stack' developers are on Macs, I think because it's linux-like, they work alot with javascript frameworks, easy to hombrew manage. But more of the enterprise/platform engineers are on Windows. And of course all the designers and product managers are Mac.
IT tends to a herd mentality - infosec even more. Monocultures are bad.
I've had a couple of people ask why they can't use Macs at work. :)
I'm working at a place now that issues Windows laptops to its workers,
and one person I work with (who started just before me) is a Mac guy and often complains about Windows being hard to work with, generally a bad
OS, etc.. Interestingly, I haven't really had any big issues with
Windows for a long time.
Nightfox wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
I'm working at a place now that issues Windows laptops to its workers,
and one person I work with (who started just before me) is a Mac guy
and often complains about Windows being hard to work with, generally a
bad OS, etc.. Interestingly, I haven't really had any big issues with Windows for a long time.
kirkspragg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
IT tends to a herd mentality - infosec even more. Monocultures are bad.
Agree. There can be significant barriers RE trying a new vendor in
large corporates especially when something security related has become embedded in your operations to the extend that cloudstrike did.
Windows, especially on laptops can be quite fine or utterly terrible depending on you hardware. Where I work we have a mix of older HP elitebooks & newer equivalent (mem, cpu, storage ect) Lenovo laptops.
I have one of the older elitebooks, it works just fine in Win 11. Several colleagues of mine have Lenovos, at times they blue screen daily & sometime crash or lockup multiple times a day.
Windows 10/11 plus WSL2 is a pretty good developer package. My company uses NGINX and Python for most of our web app. We used to use cygwin, Linux virtual machines and linux dev environments on locally-hosted VMs for local development.
WSL quickly became the standard.
Interesting to note that Crowdstrike's CTO was Mcafee's CTO when the
same thing happened with Mcafee AV in the 2010s.
I have one of the older elitebooks, it works just fine in Win 11. Sev colleagues of mine have Lenovos, at times they blue screen daily & sometime crash or lockup multiple times a day.
Interesting.. I've had the opposite, where Lenovos always seemed to work fairly well, whereas I've had a couple issues with HP. But the HP was mainly hardware, related to the GPUs they used.
I used to work for a company that had an IT policy that disallowed installing WSL. I'm not sure why though..
People were laughing at me for using C64s and 386 computers. Look whose laughing now.
The podcast Re:Work has the two co-founders from 37Signals, a
productivity app maker. They have some very interesting episodes where they discuss moving everything from the cloud back to on-prem to manage runaway costs and to own their infrastructure again.
I'm sure the pendulum will swing back elsewhere, too.
Moving from on-prem to the cloud, then back to on-prem again is like an employment protection act - always project work to be had, moving back
and forth!
People were laughing at me for using C64s and 386 computers. Look whose laughing now.
hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Moving from on-prem to the cloud, then back to on-prem again is like an employment protection act - always project work to be had, moving back
and forth!
I'm not surprised to see such trend again. I discovered it at home when
I invested 1k USD equivalent to have my own little private cloud with
24TB in RAID + containers and apps and LAN more than enough to run
10-20 peopls company with no extra cost.
What I also found studying history of IT is that everything works in cycles and one of those is to centralize and to decentralize in cycles
as well.
Part of mainframes/cloud is part of the same cycle name definition,
just different implementation.. micro/servers/on-prem is another...
-h1
... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere
copy.
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kirkspragg wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Interesting to note that Crowdstrike's CTO was Mcafee's CTO when the
same thing happened with Mcafee AV in the 2010s.
Oooh that is interesting. I remember that around that time Mcaffee's reputation took a pretty sharp dive due to a string of issues as their anti-virus software became closer & closer to being malware itself.
That bodes ill for Cloudstrike's future.
hollowone wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
What I also found studying history of IT is that everything works in cycles and one of those is to centralize and to decentralize in cycles
as well.
Where windows 10/11 & stability is concerned I have given up trying to understand it... Maybe the software you have installed in your work environment is fine with your lenovos & for some reason causes HPs to have problems. Why? Who knows...
However where I work, Lenovo laptops + Windows 11 + MS office & Teams == daily crashes. For all know it might actually be the fault of our corporate endpoint security solution or something else IT has installed across all our laptops.
However where I work, Lenovo laptops + Windows 11 + MS office & Teams ==
daily crashes. For all know it might actually be the fault of our
corporate endpoint security solution or something else IT has installed
across all our laptops.
Currently, my work laptop is a Dell. I actually haven't used Windows 11 on Lenovo..
Currently, my work laptop is a Dell. I actually haven't used Windows 11 on
Lenovo..
I leave my laptop on most of the time, except weekends. I have a Lenovo Yoga, Windows 11, Intune MDM, Microsoft 365 and WSL2, never had a crash - not even with CrowdStrike installed. I guess I missed the update or was able to get the updated channel file before it crashed.
The amount of money people were willing to pay this guy is unreal.
Re: Re: Cloudstrike/Windows BSOD, looks pretty serious
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Jul 20 2024 08:03 am
Windows 10/11 plus WSL2 is a pretty good developer package. My company uses NGINX and Python for most of our web app. We used to use cygwin, Linux virtual machines and linux dev environments on locally-hosted VMs for local development.
WSL quickly became the standard.
I used to work for a company that had an IT policy that disallowed installing WSL. I'm not sure why though..
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